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keith smith

10-20-2007 13:42:33




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any have an idea why i cant get a reading from the bat terminal on my alternator. i bought it already converted from 6 to 12 volts. its a bran new delco alternator. voltage reads
13 to 14 volts at battery. i took out the amp meter and put in a voltmeter, which reads same as voltage at battery. but when i try to get a reading at the alt it is unreadable, flashing between negative and positive on my digital voltmeter....same reading at my coil too. i tested my voltmeter on my truck
to see if it did the same thing, it didnt. also the. battery dies pretty quick when starting

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Bob M

10-20-2007 18:33:25




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 13:42:33  
Keith - With the ignition switch "off" you should read battery voltage at both the BAT and #2 terminals, and 0 volts at the #1 terminal. (All readings to ground...)

You should also get the same readings with the ign switch "on" and the engine not running.

With the engine running (alternator charging) you should get 14.0 to 14.5 volts at the BAT and #2, and 11 - 12 volts or so at #1.

As other suggest, with the engine running many digital voltmeters read incorrectly on account of system "noise" - an old analog meter is the preferred tool here...

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Gene-AL

10-20-2007 18:30:04




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 13:42:33  
Keith,
Let me correct myself. I had a brain lapse:

Your Voltmeter (+) terminal SHOULD NOT be connected to the former Ammeter terminal wires because it will slowly discharge your battery over a long time (about 0.001 Amps). The Voltmeter {+} terminal should be connected to an ignition SWITCHED circuit, such as the ignition switch terminal that feeds the ignition coil ciruit. This should be the same connection that feeds through a resistor, or "idiot lamp" to the #1 terminal on the Alternator (unless you have a "one-wire" Alternator).
All of the other connections I described before are correct (connect all of the Ammeter wires together when the Ammeter is removed).

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El Toro

10-20-2007 17:34:37




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 13:42:33  
You should check the battery electrolyte in each battery cell and compare the readings. They should be close to one another. They should read
1.250 or better. You may need a diode in that hookup if you're having a problem with battery drain. Hal



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Gene-AL

10-20-2007 17:27:29




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 13:42:33  
Keith,
You said: " i took out the amp meter and put in a voltmeter..."

An ammeter is almost an electrical short circuit between its terminals and carries the full alternator charging current to the battery. A voltmeter is almost an open circuit (high resistance) and will carry (at most) about 0.001 Amps reading a full-scale voltage. If I understand you correctly, what you did was to put an effective open circuit (Voltmeter) between the battery and the Alternator by installing a voltmeter in place of the ammeter.

The wires that you removed from both terminals on the Ammeter should all be connected directly together (a short circuit in place of the removed Ammeter) and then add the +(HOT) terminal on the voltmeter with them (i.e. tie all the wires to the Voltmeter (+) terminal). Connect the other (-)voltmeter terminal to a ground (tractor frame).

Your battery seems to be either in need of a charge or has lost its charging capacity due to old age or a defect, according to your description. Hint: Clean your battery terminals & posts to "bright and shiney" and examine the cables for corrosion or broken strands first.

Be Safe! dont work with the wiring without first disconnecting at least the battery Negative cable.

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keith smith

10-20-2007 17:58:56




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to Gene-AL, 10-20-2007 17:27:29  
gene al i did my hook up exactly as you discriped
so i feel good about the volt meter. thanks
still not sure why i cant get a good reading from
my digital meter? less like bob said, too noisy
a beast. might be why i get a good reading off
my volt meter though. main reason of my concern is, my tractor is acting like the coil is going bad again. after
i run for about 10 min it quits running.... after waiting about a half hr it will start again and so on. i just replace my coil about
two weeks ago. it burn up along with the wires
to and from it, not to mention the points.
this coil is suposed to be able to run without a resister. beginning to wonder if i should put a resister in it????? ?
thanks for all your help guys

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El Toro

10-21-2007 04:54:42




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 17:58:56  
You can buy a coil from Napa that has a built-in
ballast resistor for about $40.00. The Napa number is 1C14SB. Hal



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Bob

10-21-2007 08:33:56




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to El Toro, 10-21-2007 04:54:42  
The "SB" suffix makes it the lower-priced version, @ less than $20.00.



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El Toro

10-21-2007 08:36:24




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to Bob, 10-21-2007 08:33:56  
That's not what I was told. Hal



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Gene-AL

10-20-2007 20:20:47




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 17:58:56  
Keith,
Check that wire from your (former) Ammeter joined connections to the Alt. Big Stud. From what you've said, it's probably open.



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keith smith

10-21-2007 11:14:02




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to Gene-AL, 10-20-2007 20:20:47  
ok will do



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Janicholson

10-20-2007 18:28:32




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 17:58:56  
A coil going bad is usually very hot to the touch.
A coil designed for use with a resistor will usually have printed on it "for use with external resistor" if it does it need the resistor. 57 chevrolet resistor is great.
Be sure it is spark by trying this. Take an old coil wire and cut a gap into it through the conductor like a V. make the gap about 1/16" wide. use this in place of the regular coil wire. Spark will show in this gap when running. as it quits the spark will fade if it is the coil. if it does not, suspect fuel supply issues. JimN

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keith smith

10-21-2007 11:12:51




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to Janicholson, 10-20-2007 18:28:32  
ok jim will try that also
just a note....the exciter wire was draining
the battery. i took the wire coming from bat
terminal and ran a wire from the on off switch
that also feeds my coil.. could this be a problem???? it was after this that my alt died
and also the stalling problem..
only good thing was it stopped draining my bat
lol



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Janicholson

10-21-2007 14:31:17




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-21-2007 11:12:51  
Put a 3 amp diode in that wire and reattach it. The line on the body of the diode should be on the end connected to the alternator. That is the best of all worlds. JimN



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Bob

10-20-2007 18:16:58




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 17:58:56  
What is the make and part number of the coil you are "running"?

NOTE... a very SMALL point gap (LONG dwell) will heat the coil up more than a larger (correct) breaker point gap.

P.S.... Take my word for it on the wild digital meter readings, and don't obsess over them. You are by NO means the first person to discover this "dark side" of many digital VOM's.



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keith smith

10-21-2007 11:05:49




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 Re: voltage at alternator reading in reply to Bob, 10-20-2007 18:16:58  
hi
its a a ic14 coil from napa
i just picked up a duralast c819 from auto zone
to try, this one says it needs a resister.....
picked up a resister also (wells al795)
should i use this??


thanks



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Bob

10-20-2007 13:49:39




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 Use an analog meter. in reply to keith smith, 10-20-2007 13:42:33  
The noisy electrical systems on these old machines often give digital meters a sick headache.

Even a cheap analog meter is more than accurate enough for this use, and won't be affected by the EMI.

You want to see about 14.5 Volts on the large output stud, and the #1 and #2 terminals with the engine running.

With the engine STOPPED, the voltage on the #1 ("switched excite") terminal should drop to zero.

If it doesn't drop to zero, the alternator will remain "excited" and drain the battery.

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