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Bill {Antique A

02-22-2000 20:27:18

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Hey guys I have a decision to make. I know what you all will probably suggest and it will probably agree with me way down inside, but here it is. I have a picture blown up and framed in my "tractor room" of a Farmall M. It was my Grandpa's tractor, of which whom I never got to meet. He froze to death getting this tractor out of the barn to pull a truck out of the ditch before I was born. Anyways my dad and aunt had to sell it at the auction, because of financial reasons. My dad has talked about it before and how good a tractor it was, but I figured it was just one of those pride things about his tractor on the farm. So last weekend I finally convinced my dad to go back and look for it. We started at the old man's house who bought it at the sale 25 years ago. He said he no longer had it. That he sold it because it was parked for 5 years and just rusting. I listened as they talked and had the fire built up even more to find it. I was told by the old man and his son which is in his 50's that this M was the strongest one anywhere around. He said you could spin the tires taking off in 5th gear. I began to believe the stories I have heard even more. So we found out who bought it for him and contacted him and he sure enough still has it. The thing is he wants $1500 for it which is quite high for a old M around here. I have too many tractor projects now and a baby on the way, but I just don't think I can pass this one up. If I buy it, it will never be sold again. This will give me a piece of my Grandpa and my dad when he is gone. I can't help not to buy it. What do you all think? The more I sit here the more I want to go look at it right now. I can't wait. I think this is truly one of the toughest decisions I have evr had to make in all my 22 years. This will make my 6th tractor and quite possibly the most sentimental thing I will ever own. Sorry to be so long winded. Thanks for your time to read this. I will post the picture off my wall later so everyone can see what I am struggling over. Bill {Antique Acres}

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Justin

02-28-2000 17:39:41

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I would go buy it. It would make you fill alot better about the old tractor because it yours. And nit some ones elses.

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ltf in nc

02-24-2000 16:14:10

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill, I read all the post and I concur with the unanimous decision to buy the tractor. One point that seems to bother you is the price being above the selling price for a similar tractor in your area. Assume that an equivalent tractor would have a market value of $1000. Therefore you are looking at $500 standing in your way since the tractor could always be disposed of for the market value. This could be the best $500 you will ever have the chance to spend. Make some sacrifices if necessary to make the purchase. It will only make the tractor more appreciated. If you elect not to purchase it let us know. One of us may buy it now for $1500 and when you are more established sell it to you for what you will preceive it is worth when you are older. (Only kidding but trying to make a point). Buy the tractor!

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John Healey

02-24-2000 15:26:18

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

This is what you do. Buy the tractor then on the same day open a college fund for your child(ren). Don't spend any more on tractors until you have put $1500 in the college account and for every toy you buy fron that point on put at least the same amount in the colllege account.John

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Tim Ham

02-23-2000 20:21:41

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Don't hesitate don't look back go tomorrow and buy the M. I would give anything(almost) if I could find my PePa's old H Farmall. And have a fair chance of finding it because I am already getting close. (I only have 4 tractors including a Super M I just bought, and also a couple of lawn tractors)
Yeah I had to throw my two cents in too,

Go For it Man, Tim Ham

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Doug

02-23-2000 18:45:59

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I bet I know what you are going to do. Congratulations! You have an heirloom that really is priceless.

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Jeff

02-23-2000 17:55:24

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Buy it. But I would offset the money and your wife's anger by selling one or more of the tractors you already own, since the M is more important. Easy said than done, but it might be worth the trade off. Good luck.

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Gman

02-23-2000 17:11:23

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill buy the tractor and sell something else,that sentimental value is tough to deal with. Guess you noticed that post up name,Heck I like old Iron Green Red or even that other green,better watch out I'm liable to draw an arc. Later Gman

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19 Reds

02-23-2000 16:39:26

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I've got the 1937 Allis Chalmers WF that my great grandfather bought new. We were lucky enough that it never got sold or traded. The only non-red on the farm, and we wouldn't sell it for $10,000.

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Kelly

02-23-2000 14:05:09

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

My response to you is the same as the other 25!! DO IT! My husband and I had the opportunity to buy the AV that he used on the family farm to rake hay when he was a young man. It has been a decision that neither of us have regretted, although the AV has cost us considerably more than any of the other 9 Farmalls we have, due to a complete overhaul, and other "miscelleanous repairs", he thoroughly enjoyed turning it back into the tractor he remembered! The wonderful thing about it, we are now using it to rake our hay!! As has been said many times before - it you don't get it, you will kick yourself for MANY years!! Good Luck!

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Bill

02-23-2000 14:19:23

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Re: Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Kelly, 02-23-2000 14:05:09

DO IT you will regret it all your life if you dont

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Danny Yerks

02-23-2000 12:40:45

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Have you ever heard the comment "if my hindsight was as good as my foresight, I'd have done things differently"? You're 22 years old and don't have much hindsight yet. You've heard from a couple of dozen people that are 50+ years old and have lots of hindsight. At 40 years old, I'm in the middle. I'm fortunate, my Dad is still alive (84 years old) and his 1950 JD B and 1940 Farmall A are still in running condition on the old farm. He told my brother and I that he put it in his will for us to have them as joint owners, so I know they'll never get away.
However, my Dad traded and older JD B with hand start for the current B with electric start, and my grandfather on my Mom's side had a AC B that was sold long long ago. I have 2 kids (3 1/2 year old twins) and we are on a single income so my wife can raise the kids instead of a day care center. I don't have much, if any, extra money. But, if I ever find either one of those tractors I'll find SOMETHING to sell, beg for the money, borrow the money, get a temporary second job, or do anything short of stealing to get the money! If you don't buy it, then you wasted your time asking our opinions, since everybody recommended you do buy it! However, I agree with some others, make absolutely sure it's the one your grandfather had before you buy it.

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Oops, I got that backwards!, Danny Yerks

02-24-2000 05:06:41

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Re: Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-23-2000 12:40:45

My fingers were not in sync with my brain, what I meant was "if my foresight was as good as my hindsight, I'd have done things differently". Anyway, good luck!

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Tim(ny)

02-23-2000 10:08:33

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I know its a landslide, but I had to chip in anyway. One way to face a decision is to look at the consequences of either choice, if you're wrong; and see which way causes more damage. If you buy it and you're wrong, you've tied up $1500 that could have gone to another use. 10 years from now you won't know where that money went. If you don't buy it and you're wrong, and 22, you've got 60 or 80 years of kicking your butt all over town for letting it get away. Easy choice. I have my dad's WD, and I wish I'd not let my Godfather's MM-Z get away. All I would have had to do was ask, and I'm sure he would have loved to have me have it.

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The Red

02-23-2000 10:23:22

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Re: Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Tim(ny), 02-23-2000 10:08:33

I wish I had the tractor bug back in 1983 so I could have gotten Grandpa's H. I really didn't get into tractors until I bought the farm after Grandpa's death in 1990.

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ben

02-23-2000 09:46:42

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill, I agree with what everyone else said. But, like RB mentioned, make sure it is in fact the tractor that your grandad had. If it isn't, then this M is no more special than any other M.

Good luck!

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Haybaler

02-23-2000 09:19:56

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I have my grandfathers H that he bought new, then gave to my dad and told him to never sell it because it was what he made his money with. I was lucky and knew my grandfather as my son knows my dad. My son is now 13 and almost 6 foot tall and he is driving it helping me on the farm. Is it for sale? Sure, but you could buy 20 H's for what you would have to pay for this one. Enuf said?

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MrG:How much???

02-23-2000 11:17:26

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Re: Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Haybaler, 02-23-2000 09:19:56

Reminds me of the story of W.C.Fields having dinner seated next to the Queen of England after a command performance. He says,"Mam, I am so taken by your charms, I would give a million dolloars to spend a night with you". The Queen reportedly blushed and lowered her eyes. W.C. continued,"...but since I don't have a million dollars, would you consider fifty?"

The Queen became indignant and said, "Just what kind of woman do think I am?!!"

To which Fields replied, "We've already established that, now we're just haggling price!"

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Royce

02-23-2000 09:17:09

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

It's great pride to have a tractor like that.

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Larry(SD)

02-23-2000 08:45:10

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill:

Money always is an issue. However, in this case I would make an exception and considering trading or buying on installment over an extended period of time.

Larry

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MrG:I't been said...

02-23-2000 07:59:53

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

before: Sell two others that don't have the intrinsic family history and sentimental value...and buy this one. Period.

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Glenn

02-23-2000 07:50:45

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill,

Don't wait to buy it. Sell some of your other machines if you need to. You'll kick yourself for YEARS if you don't buy it. My grandfather's 100 was on the verge of being sold when I asked my grandmother if she would consider selling it to me. My grandfather died just after I turned five, so I don't have a lot of memories of him - but this was too special to pass up. My father used it in the hayfields for many years, so he has a special attachment to it, too. He was really pleased I bought it.

DON'T pass it up, if you can possibly avoid it.

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Chip

02-23-2000 07:32:57

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I had a chance to get my Grandfathers Super C, and because of distance and cost, (and lack of a place to keep it) I passed, but there isn't a week that goes by that I don't wish I could have purchased it. I never knew my Grandfather, but his farm is still in the family, and I suppose that might become a situation sometime in the future. Buy it, sell one of the others that you're not overly attached to and get it. You may not get the chance again. Good Luck!

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Dave 2N

02-23-2000 07:19:15

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I'm 57 and in my younger days, I was completely in love with my uncle's 46 M. As I got older, I practically lived at his place and finally got to the point where I worked for him for many years putting on MANY hours on that M. Then I went to college and got into non-farm related jobs but always kept in touch. About 15 years ago he and my cousins decided to go Green and Yellow and the M had to go. He offered it to me (I'm ashamed to tell you how low the price was) but for a variety of reasons, I "passed" on his offer. Big regrets---!!! Learn from those of us who have made the mistakes. If there is anyway you can do it, buy that M! One way to look at it is, even though you think that you can't afford it right now, how much difference are you really going to notice in a year? Thanks for listening to my $.02.

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JRM

02-23-2000 06:53:58

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill, first off, Congrats on the little one. I too was in your shoes almost 10 years ago. Grandpa's estate sale was the same day my first daughter was born. Dad was going to bid on granpa's F20 for me. I called him on the way to the hospital, and in a moment of highly regretted stupidity, told him not to bid on it. The thought of hospital bills and another mouth to feed was too much. At the time it was the right decision, because of complications during child birth, she was our most expensive child (Over $17,000 in 1990). Looking back, I would have bought that F20 anyway (It brought $1100). I am looking for it now, and it has been sold several times. Buy it, sell off one of your other tractors, finance it, go in halves with other family members. You may not get another chance, and 10 years from now, the yearning the past will only get stronger, and $1500 will seem like an insignificant price to have paid. Consider it a gift to your new born. Good luck and congrats again.

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Kendall

02-23-2000 06:48:24

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Its not how much it cost, its how much its worth. The sentimental value of this tractor is worth a lot. $1,500 is'nt going to make or break anybody.

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Bill

02-23-2000 06:37:10

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Life is funny. As a younger man I could not get far enough from Dads M. Now in my 50s and Dad gone for a long time , I can't get close enough to that ole red tractor. Got it after it had set for years with a stuck motor. As a young boy I used to set on the seat and think about how I would wheel that M around. Now some times I set on the seat and think about Dads big hands on that wheel. Bill, you know what the right thing to do is. Just do it!

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Phil Auten

02-23-2000 06:26:52

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill,
This is a little redundant, and just my two cents, but I believe that if you don't buy that tractor, you may regret it for a long time. I have not been blessed with the history of my family in the form of an object like this, but I would buy it if I had the chance. As the others have said, sell one that has no sentimental value for you if you have to, but get it if you can.

Phil

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Ludwig

02-23-2000 06:09:33

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Yuppers, go and get it. If it still runs its probably not that bad a deal.
I own my great grandfather's Regular and Great Uncle's Super M, I missed out on an H and an M, but I'm pretty well set, and I think I know where the other two went.

Good luck!

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Jimbo

02-23-2000 05:33:29

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Go for it! Wish I had the same chance.

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02-23-2000 05:09:31

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

DO IT. even if it means selling a couple other toys, do it. Might see if he could trade or something, too. I know that after I get them paid off I won't EVER even CONSIDER selling my A and the three oliver 70s.

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F14

02-23-2000 04:05:34

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I haven't read the rest of the responses, but I suspect they'll be much the same as mine: If you can afford it, DO IT!

I'd give my left...well, lets just say I'd give a LOT to have my Dad's Super W6. If you think it's nostalgic now, when you're 22, wait until your 50 or 60. After a life of working our butts off to support our family, and traveling and all the hassle of making your way, it all comes down to family and tradition.

Personally, if I had to, I'd have a yard sale and sell both of my other tractors and a big chunk of other toys to finance this if it were me.

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The Red

02-23-2000 04:04:01

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill if I am given the opportunity to buy my granpda's 1941 Farmall H from my neighbor, which is in terrible shape, I am going to buy it and unload one of my other Hs if I need to. If it is not running now $1,500 is somewhat high but not ridiculous. The seller probably knows you have a strong interest in it and is fetching top dollar. I could probably swap my 1946 H with my neighbor but he would be getting a great deal and I would have at least $500 of work to do on the 1941.

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02-23-2000 03:05:42

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill youd better go get that tractor!There is nothing else like having a family members tractor.I recently got my great grandpas F-14 back,and I own my fathers M.I often wonder if my greatgrandpa cussed the F-14 like Ive been doing lately.And as for Dads M,I know he did!Only thing Id be aware of and double check on,ask the guy who has it where he got it.Hopefully he will give you the right answer.The only reason I say that is I tried to buy a C that was suppose to belong to my father,come to find out,these two guys got together to try to con me out of my money and to get the tractor out of one of thems yard.Enjoy!!

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Dick Davis

02-23-2000 00:57:48

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I don't think the whole net can talk you out of buying this tractor. And why would we try? Do it.

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Jim

02-22-2000 22:10:25

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill - What will it be worth to you and your child to be able to take them for a ride on their Great-Grandpa's tractor? To have that memory and something they can see and touch that four generations of your family has? Believe it will be worth more to you in the long run than all your other tractors combined.
Congrats on finding the tractor and the new one on the way.
Jim

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Rick

02-22-2000 21:19:58

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Bill if you can spare the money ,i would buy that tractor now ,

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02-22-2000 21:09:54

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

Seems to me Bill you have already convinced yourself! You are actually lucky to track down that piece of family history ~ and what a history that M has!
If I were in your shoes, I would seriously consider parting with one of your five tractors, if possible, in order to obtain that link to your past. I, for example, will do whatever possible to hold on to my dad's original IH 766, the one I grew up with. What's that old saying... "this is a story you will tell your grandchildren"

Best of luck to you anyway... But I think you already know what to do!
...mark.

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Chris

02-22-2000 21:06:51

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Re: What Do You All Think??? in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 02-22-2000 20:27:18

I would say go for if nothing else sell another tractor that less sentimental value. Because if you don't you might not get another chance at it. My dad died 2 years ago and the estate sale this fall I kept a farmall b cultivision runs little rough and a JD 1943 a stuck and head cracked don't have time or money to really work on them but woulded trade them for the world. There is to many pieces of my and dad's past on them. So if nothing else sell one of the others so your family ain't strapped down. Good luck Hope you get it.

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