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460 industrial clutch ta problem???

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bjc

04-23-2008 12:03:27




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cnks had answered a couple of question. went on vacation and never got back to this post... so hhheeeee lllp please.

have a 460 industrial gas. i think the clutch or ta is bad. put it in gear runs great, start pulling a hill.... yup slows down to a crawl!!!! tried to move some dirt, got a scoop, started spinning, tried backing out, put it ta low, sounded like a starter spinning with out ever hitting the flywheel! clutched it and put it back into high, sounded the same. turned the engine off and moved the lever back and forth a couple of times, started it again, and it was fine. (did not try to put it back in low again)

moved a couple of more buckets again with the same result..... slows to a crawl when i hit a hill (does not make a diff what gear i am in)

so.... is it the clutch, ta, or both? worth fixing or pass it down the road?

i checked the price for parts. not too bad except for the ta. how bad of a fix is it? or rather splitting the tractor at home? did my little mf35. not that bad. the 460 is a lot bigger tractor!

thanks for the help.

cnks thanks again for all teh help so far!!!

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ejr-IA

04-23-2008 18:56:50




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 12:03:27  
Could be the center clutch splines being wore out or the imput shaft.Also if it dont hold in the low side of the TA the sprag is toast and it will make a whineing noise.You will need to split the tractor to fix either of the problems.



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CNKS

04-23-2008 17:46:11




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 12:03:27  
The first thing you need to do is get the proper manual and adjust the TA and the clutch, they must be adjusted at the same time. The TA usually slips only in low range, thus you should be able to tell which it is. To repair the TA the tractor has to be split. Rebuilt TA's are readily available, for a price.



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bjc

04-23-2008 18:12:12




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to CNKS, 04-23-2008 17:46:11  
thank ya sir! i am starting to wish i would not have bought this tractor! but what ya gonna do!



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TractormanNC

04-23-2008 14:34:32




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 12:03:27  
You can adjust the linkage without splitting the tractor. It must be adjusted BY THE BOOK. Close doesn't count here. You do have the operators manual don't you. Replacing the TA requires a double split.



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460/560

04-23-2008 13:29:16




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 12:03:27  
I would say its the ta clutch based on what you say. You don"t describe having any problems putting the tractor in gear. My 560 had a bad ta and it would really give way on an incline. A lot of times the ta isn"t actually bad, its just out of adjustment. The spinning like a starter would indicate that its also not being engaged all the time, so it could be a linkage problem also. Ta can be fixed without splitting tractor.

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bjc

04-23-2008 13:43:42




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to 460/560, 04-23-2008 13:29:16  
you can fix or replace the ta with out splitting the tractor????? ??



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460/560

04-23-2008 15:02:27




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 13:43:42  
It can be adjusted and worked on without splitting. Not sure if tractor has to be split to replace? Been a while since I"ve had my hands on one. Seems like most ta problems are a matter of them being out of adjustment though.



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bjc

04-23-2008 15:55:16




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to 460/560, 04-23-2008 15:02:27  
tractorman, i have the operators manual but not the repair manual. my operators manual says nothing on how to adjust the ta. i must say, that was the strangest sound when i put the ta in low!!!! so do you think its the ta or clutch?

thanks every body for you help!!!



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TractormanNC

04-23-2008 16:42:04




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 15:55:16  
Surprise to me. Every IH owners manual I remember for a tractor with TA has the adjustment instructions in it.It is that important. Get an I&T manual. It may help. For sure something is slipping. If adjusting the TA linkage doesn't solve the problem, then its teardown time. You have to split it once for the engine clutch. If that's not the problem, then it is another split to get at the TA. Reman ones can be had for about $600 more or less.

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bjc

04-23-2008 16:58:00




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to TractormanNC, 04-23-2008 16:42:04  
nope, double triple checked, not in there!

now if the ta is bad or slipping it could cause the same problem? i thought it was only working when placed in low and there had no effect on the regular drive line? or am i not understanding? (i vote for not understanding, thats why i am posting asking for help!!)


it holds going down hill, no over drive/ rev.



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TractormanNC

04-23-2008 18:41:09




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 16:58:00  
Parts of the "TA" are working all the time. In low, there is a one way clutch (sprag) that transmits power to the tranny. It is ONE way and therefore there is no engine braking when going down hill. In high, there is a clutch that locks up the gears and the whole assembly turns at engine speed to transmit power to the tranny. Either can slip and cause loss of power. I have had 5 IH tractors with TAs, but have never been into one, Don't know an easy test to tell if the engine clutch or the TA clutch is slipping.

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460/560

04-23-2008 16:18:40




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to bjc, 04-23-2008 15:55:16  
My 460 that i pull did something similar to that once. I was rollin along and tried to pull the ta back and it made an awful grinding sound and stopped pulling. I immediately shut it down, and its been fine ever since. I think what happened was it just didn"t engage the ta fully.



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bjc

04-23-2008 16:34:44




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 Re: 460 industrial clutch ta problem??? in reply to 460/560, 04-23-2008 16:18:40  
gosh i hope so!!!!! it never was "grinding noise" it was more of a whine. like a starter whine when it just spins with out ever hitting the flywheel.



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