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Ace Schrunk

12-23-2000 11:08:55




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The other day as i worked in my yard some ome went buy with a H towing behind pickup, this is not a good idea because the tranny pilot bearing will not oil properly. If the constant mesh gears are not turning the pilot bearing doe not oil like it should. The engine must be running for the constant gears turn to splash oil to the pilot bearing. This is true for most IH tractors newer ones get some lube from hyd oil return but still need engine running

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arizjbird

12-27-2000 05:27:52




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 Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Ace Schrunk, 12-23-2000 11:08:55  
Ace, The owners manual for my `lil 2424 says 15 mph. max. Now whether that`s for drive train, or tire, or safty reasons, they dont say. I like to think most people with red,(or IH yellow) tractors have the common sense not to tear up their iron, or create a hazard, to themselvs or others. I`m working on a setup to transport my 3500+ LB. rig using a heavy 2 wheel dolly. You back the machine on, and pin the steer axle. 16`` dot tires. Then common sense! J.

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Pappy

12-24-2000 00:35:26




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 Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Ace Schrunk, 12-23-2000 11:08:55  
Ace---if you place the transmission in neutral, the pilot bearing is not turning. Never tow a tractor faster than it is capable of running under it's own power.



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Wardner

12-24-2000 01:19:51




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 Re: Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Pappy, 12-24-2000 00:35:26  
I think that Ace is refering to the mainshaft pilot bearing and Pappy is refering to the clutch pilot bearing. Anyway, tractors have been towed from farm to farm and further at 20-30 mph for years and years. And I do not think I have ever seen IH discourage this practice in any of their owner's manuals. And those books are loaded with "don't do" cartoons. If I had a need to tow a tractor, I would ignore both Ace's and Pappy's advice. I would be more concerned with tire condition and a good hitch.

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Ace Schrunk

12-24-2000 08:35:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Wardner, 12-24-2000 01:19:51  
The pinion shaft pilot bearing is turning that is where the problem comes in the counter shaft which is down in the oil is not turnnig and splashing oil so the pilot bearing does not oil as it should. Having worked on IH for 15 yrs I do know a little about them IH did discorage it back in the 50's abd 60's.



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Denny

12-26-2000 08:15:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Ace Schrunk, 12-24-2000 08:35:06  
I've seen the insides of the H & M rearends a couple times too, but It's been a LONG time. There are a LOT of oil channels cast into the inside of the cases to move oil to where it's needed. I know the frt. pilot bear gets oiled from the frt. of the transmission and most of the oil would come from the lower constant speed shaft, but I think there would be oil coming off the bull gears throwing up to the gap between the divider between the transmission and to trans. top cover where the shift forks go to oil the bearing. It may get blocked by the differential, and I can not remember how the oil channels around it are set up. Anyone have the trans. top cover off an H or M that could clear this up? The pilot bearing turns constantly anyhow anytime the tractor is idling in neutral or moving in any gear besides 5th. It was kinda a weak spot in the old girls! It was beefed up in the Super Series. I've heard of the pilot stub breaking off the pinion shaft on Hopped-Up M's. I agree towing was not recommended back in the old days, but it was less detrimental to pull a red tractor than a green one. Another solution is to start the engine & leave it idle while towing. And of course you would obey the tire's 20 mph speed limit and have a proper escort car with 4-way flashers ahead & behind with proper flashing lights & SMV emblems.....There's a BIG difference between what You Can & Can't do with the well-being of the tractor involved and Public Highway Safety. I'd call your local Law Enforcement agency before I'd tow anything anywhere because it's illegal in some areas. There's a big difference between a farmer towing an old tractor a few miles on a lightly traveled side road and going on a busy high speed blacktop county or state highway. And just because it ISN"T illegal doesn't mean it's safe and you should do it. Most states (ILL for sure) require that tractors be involved in actual ag. related activities to be used on public highways. Otherwise in an accident Your at fault automatically. Maybe dead too. Trailer rental or having a buddy with a 3/4 or 1-ton truck and a trailer haul it home is not That expensive compared to risk involved.

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John

12-24-2000 12:22:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to Ace Schrunk, 12-24-2000 08:35:06  
Also tractor tires are not made to take highway speeds, 20 to30 MPH max speed on tractor tires.



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T_Bone

12-26-2000 11:08:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towing tractor behind pickup in reply to John, 12-24-2000 12:22:42  
Hi All, I see nothing wrong at all pulling a tractor or any other eqipment home at slow speed. Please don't give up any more rights as they take away enough as it is. Here in Arizona there even trying to make the farmers within 60 miles of the Phoenix city limits water there fields before plowing! There claiming too much dust in Phoenix because of the farmer.

They also tried to get a law passed that farm equipment was not allowed to be moved on any paved road without being trailered and got shot down.

It only takes a few minutes to slow down and pass safely and that has be done even if the equipment was trailered, so all anyone would accomplish is more cost to the farmer.

T_Bone

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