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Super A steering slop solutions

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BIG

01-04-2001 08:13:37




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I have a 1948 model Super A that I need to fix the steering play in. I have adjusted on all tie rod ends and it helped considerably but the tractor still has too much play. It seems that there is way too much free travel in the steering box itself - is there a way to adjust this slack out? Also, I would be interested in buying new tie rod ends but where do I get them - must I buy new or is there someone out there that manufactures aftermarket ones? Please give any information, I'm sure I will find it helpful.

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Haas

01-04-2001 14:27:50




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 Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to BIG, 01-04-2001 08:13:37  
David A's comments are right on the money. I suspect if you replace the bearings, the play will improve substantially. Just the worm gear bearing may help a lot. Also check the nut under the bottom that holds on the arm that goes to the tie rods. Sometimes that nut gets loose and lets the arm flop around causing play.



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David A

01-04-2001 10:58:15




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 Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to BIG, 01-04-2001 08:13:37  
Look back on page 2 at a question I posted "Need steering seal part # (SA)". Rick gives a good explaination on what fails in these boxes.
I just had the steering shaft out to replace the top seal - pretty easy compared to rebuilding the box. You might try this first. There is a large ball bearing on this shaft that's easy to change. It may be bad and contibuting to the slop. Pull the steering wheel and the large cap on the front of the box then unscrew the shaft out of the front.
David

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Daniel

01-04-2001 10:10:59




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 Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to BIG, 01-04-2001 08:13:37  
The Super A steering box is always a problem area. The box is not adjustable, however, there is a large nut on the bottom that may need tightening. I believe it is 1 5/8". If that doesn't tighten it up you will have to rebuild the box. The top bearing in mine was shot causing the sector shaft to flop back and forth causing the play. There are two seals and two bushings and two bearings and a gasket in there to replace. As for the tie rod ends, do you have the automotive style or the curved ones with the ball on top?

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BIG

01-04-2001 12:58:46




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 Re: Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to Daniel, 01-04-2001 10:10:59  
Daniel, I don't have the automotive style. I am assuming I have the other that you describe. The ones I have are adjustable in that they have a "plug" in one end that has a slot head that can be tightened with a large flat screwdriver once you remove the cotter key that holds them secure. Is this the "other style" you refer to? Each end is adjustable and then the center tie rod end at the steering box also has this same type adjustment. In all, there are 3 plugs that can be adjusted. One at each end close to each front tire and then one at the steering box. Do you know the ones I am talking about? Why do some Super A's have automotive style and others have this style? Please discuss further, I need to resolve me steering play! Thanks. My steering box has probably 1/4 to 1/2 a round of slack in it, is this fixable by tearing down and replacing the bearings and bushings or is the gear mechanism inside probably ruined?

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Al

01-04-2001 16:42:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to BIG, 01-04-2001 12:58:46  
I have a 1948 Super A with the older ball and socket tie-rods. You can get everything inside the steering box brand-new from caseIH. Last time I checked you can get the tie rod half that goes in the center steering arm coming out of the box, but they were close to $150 each. You can get the adjustable screw (seat) on the ends, about $40 (yes, $40) each. Can't get the inside seats. Can't get the old style tie rod ends, steering arms, etc. My experience is that if the ball portions of the steering arms are worn, it is still possible to find good used ones. As to the steering box itself, you can get slop in a couple places. First, the bearings, second, gear teeth backlash, and third, slipping of the center steering arm on the shaft, or slipping of the large 1/2 moon gear (not the worm gear) on the same shaft. If you can get the slop out of everything else, you can probably deal with some gear wide backlash. If I had a good machine shop at my disposal, I would get them to refurbish the vertical shaft the 1/2 moon gear goes on, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to make you a complete new one. You can get this shaft new, but the machine shop could also correct any wear on the gear and center steering arm. (The gear is $200 plus, and you can't get a new steering arm since it's ball and socket.) I found with my tractor both the arm and gear would move on the shaft, and often you can't tell this until it's all back together and the weight of the tractor's on it. Also, the shaft will wear just enough where the bushings are in the box to cause oil seepage, even with new bushings and seals.

As to when they changed to "automotive" tie rods, I think it was probably around 1952. I know the parts book shows the serial number break, but off-hand I can't remember the year. There were a couple of subtile changes to the steering equipment over the years.

Feel free to email me direct if any of this isn't clear. You can get the steering back very, very close to original "feel," It may cost you a bit, but definately worth it and safer! On my tractor I put all new bearings, bushings, and seals in it, but didn't do anything to that vertical shaft. I still have a little bit of slip, but it's much better than before. When I restore the tractor, I'll get it all "right."

Al aljones@oonline.net

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DANIEL

01-05-2001 10:23:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A steering slop solutions in reply to Al, 01-04-2001 16:42:29  
My Super A is a 1951 and it has the automotive style tie rod ends. I think it changed in '49-'50. I got my play down to a couple of inchs at the rim. Much better rhan before. If you've got a half-turn, your top bearing is probably shot. Good luck, Daniel



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