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Power steering question(Super M)

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BigJ

01-19-2001 04:05:55




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I just bought a 1953 Super M and noticed a hose hanging down under the hood.I also looked up in there and there is a steering assist on the steering shaft but no pump.Would just putting a pump on it be a good idea or should I tear it all down and go through it,and how much do pumps usually run.Thanks Jack(TN).




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Bob M

01-19-2001 04:37:45




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 Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to BigJ, 01-19-2001 04:05:55  
If your SM is equipped with a live hydraulic pump, you can simply add a flow divider in the pump output line, then supply the power steering unit from the flow divider. Works great, and is only a small fraction of the cost of a separate steering pump/reservoir.

Punch link for more info....

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Dan

01-19-2001 11:02:21




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 Re: Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to Bob M, 01-19-2001 04:37:45  
Bob, is the flow divider like a priority valve so you get power to the steering first? On your super M on the illoustrations do you have a Lift All box under the rear of the gas tank? Where does the line from the bottom of the flow divider go, the one that goes toward the rear. I have a SMTA and would dearly love to add Power steering. Can a person pick up the steering shaft unit for a reasonable price as I have a live pump?

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Bob M

01-19-2001 13:50:10




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 Re: Re: Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to Dan, 01-19-2001 11:02:21  
Dan - I believe the flow divider is a priority valve, though I'm not certain. Do know however that the steering always has power, and the remote hydraulics work OK even with the motor at idle and while turning the wheel.

The box under the gas tank in the photo is the factory live hydraulic reservoir. It has a Lift-All valve built in though I've never used it (keep it locked back so I can use the remote 4-way valve)

The line running from the bottom of the flow divider runs to the hyd pump suction line at the reservoir outlet. It connects to a fitting brazed onto the large elbow that's screwed into the side of the reservoir at the bottom.

To obtain a Charlynn steering motor, try your local tractor boneyard. They were used on other tractors besides Farmall. Or check with Mathis Equipment (660-295-4456)- they carry both new and used motors, and complete PS kits.

The PS on my SM was installed about 30 years ago and has worked flawlessly for many thousands of hours. Makes driving the tractor really sweet - it needs less steering effort than my wife's car...

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Dan

01-19-2001 19:30:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to Bob M, 01-19-2001 13:50:10  
Thanks Bob. I have a friend here who has 4 or 5 Ms he uses on engine balers. Most have been converted to the Char-lyn power steering. I had heard that they weren't being made anymore but still see adds. Apparently you can't get parts kits for the old ones any more. Know they used them some on JDs also but they were lighter in the front. Only complaint my friend had with his was bearings in the front end, I guess the ones on the steering shaft. Apparently caused by guys turning them when the tractor wasn't moving.

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Wardner

01-19-2001 13:29:02




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 Re: Re: Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to Dan, 01-19-2001 11:02:21  
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Flow control valves and priority valves are the same thing. The picture above is an MTA. The line at the bottom goes to the pressure port of the Liftall. Going clockwise the next one should go to the reservoir. The third one is pressure to the actuator and the fourth one is pressure from the pump. Most set-ups will have an elbow rather than the 1" tee you see in the picture. In this case the extra leg on the tee goes to feed a PTO driven hydraulic pump. The second port from the priority valve can attach there or on the other side where the filler plug is. You should be able to get a Behlen actuator for around $100-150 dollars at a salvage yard. But you will need to call 4-5 outfits because some people are quite proud of their PS equipment. Mathis equipment is one of them. Don't get one off a 400-450 because the input steering shaft won't be long enough. But then maybe you could weld on an extension. Pricing on this stuff is all over the place, particularly if you go to auctions. I once bought a brand new Char-lyn for $40. It was in a lot of misc items. Most auctioneers aren't too sharp when it comes to parts.

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shocker

01-19-2001 04:11:27




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 Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to BigJ, 01-19-2001 04:05:55  
You will find a new pump to be very pricey. They can cost as little as $550 up to $1100. They are sure nice to have.



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Wardner

01-19-2001 13:56:56




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 Re: Re: power steering question(Super M) in reply to shocker, 01-19-2001 04:11:27  
The word "pump" should not be used indescriminatly. Pumps are not that expensive particularly when there are millions of them out there on truck PS systems in junk yards. I think that you meant to say "torque generator" or "actuator". These are equivalent to "motors", not pumps.



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