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Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion.

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Greg H

05-18-2001 06:06:47




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G,
I noticed that in a question raised by poppin 60 below that you suggested replacing the studs and bolts that connect the head to the block of the engine. Should Head bolts be replaced on all engines during the rebuilding process. The reason being I rebuilt my 4020G 3 years ago. I had the head sent off for to be rebuilt, and the machinist assured me that it was true{not warped in anyway}. I used copper sealer spray on the block, layed down the head casket,and spayed the gasket, dropped the head down, and bolted it down as directed by the service manual torque specs. I noticed it had some seepage, and even replaced the head gasket with a new one, repeating the process. Still to this day if you use the tractor all day, especially when pulling in silage wagons, that requires alot of full throttle useage, there is some seepage down the side of the block, not alot, but it will make a little streek 1/3 the way down the block. Should I have replaced the head bolts when I did my rebuild? If I replaced them, do you think my seepage would subside? Just courious the tractor runs perfect, but I plan on painting it this year, and I feel it would be a cosmetic advantage not to try to fix this situation. Tell me if you think it would help. Thanks, Greg H.

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wrenchman

05-19-2001 01:12:11




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 Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H, 05-18-2001 06:06:47  
i quit using coppercoat quite a few years ago.does't seem to have enough copper init anymore.so i ended up with same problem.use hitemp aluminum paint instead.put on 2 or 3 coats and install while still tacky.works for me and is cheap.have even reused steel sandwich headgaskets with it when i couldn't find new ones.



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D Neubert

05-18-2001 13:42:00




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 Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H, 05-18-2001 06:06:47  
Greg I doubt that the head studs are the reason for your seepage I would look at the top of the block and check liner height. Also when ever I use copper coat on head gaskets on my pullers I have noticed a seepage. I think the copper coat has something to do with it. Most new style gaskets say to put them on dry. Dave



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G Taylor

05-18-2001 11:24:05




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 Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H, 05-18-2001 06:06:47  
While there are many applications where re-use of fasteners is acceptable in lightly loaded and/or non critical applications. A cylinder head bolt,main cap, rod bolt etc is typicaly heavly stressed & torqued/streched to near it's working limit.Then re-worked/re-streched during heating/cooling cycles. It's cheap insurance to replace the fasteners to eliminate one of the factors that can "sink" a expensive rebuild. Every bit important is to use a known accurate torque wrench & follow the manufactures instructions to the letter. A good idea to chase all the block threads with a bottom tap to clean the threads.

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luckydog

05-18-2001 07:05:03




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 Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H, 05-18-2001 06:06:47  
Greg H.--As far as 2cly JD"s go just change the lead washers. For your case I have always been told to change the studs because of streching. Your seepage may come from your block not being true or liner hieght not being right on your sleeves. On ocasion we have put a thread or fishing line on both sides of the gasket where it was leaking and solved this kind of problem. Hope this helps and I"m sure you will here different sugestions on this matter. luckydog

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JD junkie

05-18-2001 06:58:51




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 Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H, 05-18-2001 06:06:47  
John Deere sells a head bolt package for your tractor. Any GOOD JD mechanic will neven reuse head bolts.



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Greg H.

05-18-2001 09:53:37




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 Re: Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to JD junkie, 05-18-2001 06:58:51  
I understand, but at the time I think I fell more into the poor farm boy, instead of the Good John Deere Mechanic, but if that's what I gotta do to make it right, I suppose I'll spend a couple more hundred dollars and do it right. Hey Jd Junkie, you've gotta give me alittle credit though I did attempt to preserve a gas powered 4020 for historys sake,instead of doing the practical farm tractor thing, and converting it to deisel with a combine engine. But anyway thanks for the input. Greg H.

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Gary

05-18-2001 10:32:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Head bolt question for G Taylor, or anyone else with an oppinion. in reply to Greg H., 05-18-2001 09:53:37  
You might want to try some K&W Block seal before
you tear it down,its worked for me several times.



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