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Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!?

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is it true?

09-10-2002 12:03:35




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Heard since the 460 from Colorado thinks it is legal, that the Oliver boys have talked Lustiks into running Div 5 also. They claim to be no more "component" than Bear's and also are a 1958 like his 460. They are willing to take off their 24.5x32's and run 18.4x38's. They hope to get to run 3400+++ rpms like Bear, their motor is just as close to a 460 as his!! (Why does a 360 block with split v-8 heads anyway get 660 rpms?? just a thought?) If Bear is legal, then NATPA will sooooo on be opening a can of worms, cause in reality crap like this really will happen. Start a new div with 4010's for him...let him run exhibition only with this v-8 diesel audi honda data ported deal!

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A.P.

09-10-2002 18:16:43




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 Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to is it true?, 09-10-2002 12:03:35  
If the Olie's were allowed the same rpm's as the 460/560's they wouldn't need the v-8. It's a Waukesha motor and Waukesha ran them faster so why aren't the rpm's based on the Waukesha numbers at least for div. 5?

Fuel for the fire,
A.P.



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Jon Aller

09-11-2002 06:02:38




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 Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to A.P., 09-10-2002 18:16:43  
The rules are there to be taken advantage of. Was there an Oliver built tractor in 59 that had an RPM advantage over the 88/880? What about the industrial versions? What about the 6 cyl 99 series? What research has been done on the topic?

It is my understanding that it was NOT the IH guys that first brought up the change to the current RPM rule, but it was Bear when he was pulling his Oliver.

I could be wrong.

Jon

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P Amateis

09-11-2002 20:23:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Jon Aller, 09-11-2002 06:02:38  
Bill Bear is catching alot of crap for rpms that were voted on by Div 5 pullers in Omaha Ne in I beleive Nov 1999. Alot of things have changed since that meeting. IHC people did want rpms and so did AC people. We built an AC wd45 diesel converted to gas and soon got it kicked out at Wichita Kan. NATPA has problems but is the only place alot of us can pull in the winter so I hope it keeps rolling along.

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A.P.

09-11-2002 09:38:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Jon Aller, 09-11-2002 06:02:38  
Jon the only Oliver tractors that I can find with a higher rpm rating are the 660 and 550. These are four cylinder engines with a 2000 rated rpm as opposed to 1750 rated for the 770/880. High idle is a bit higher. The engine is a four cylinder version of the 77/Super 77/770 engine. The resulting 300 rpm would help some. I am still looking for documenation for something higher.

The engine used in the Super 99/950 is a Waukesha 195. Waukesha rated these at 3000 rpm. The parts from these engines are already allowed and bolt right on the Oliver 88 for div. 5.

There is an error in the RPM allowed for the Super 99 GM/990/995 in div. 5. It should be based off of the RPM for the 995 rather than the 990.

A.P.

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Jon Aller

09-11-2002 11:16:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to A.P., 09-11-2002 09:38:08  
Waukesha rated the engine at 3000 rpm, or Oliver rated it at 3000 rpm, or both?



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A.P.

09-11-2002 16:11:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Jon Aller, 09-11-2002 11:16:05  
Waukesha did. Oliver didn't, at least as far as I can prove so far. ;-). You can be sure that I will keep my eyes open though.

A.P.



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somewhat right....

09-11-2002 07:37:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Jon Aller, 09-11-2002 06:02:38  
Bear did recommend the change, right when he had his Oliver for sale and had a 460 in the shed to be built! If the rpms were given to IH, he had wanted to build a 460 and this would give him even more incentive to do so! It was a well versed plan with him (appearing to be an Oliver guy) and the IH boys...what harmony there appeared to be! Just wanting to help the poor little farmalls..what a nice guy! Then BAM, a 460 he all of a sudden is building...then not only do we want the rpms, but all kinds of different motor parts to go with it. Fabricated manifold(intake at least) and BLOCK IS TOO SHORT...illegal, without a doubt!!

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amen, A.P......well said!!

09-10-2002 19:01:56




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 Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to A.P., 09-10-2002 18:16:43  
very nice...



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Big tears

09-10-2002 13:00:47




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 Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to is it true?, 09-10-2002 12:03:35  
You guy's could cry a river if you tried.



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Little tears

09-10-2002 13:06:43




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 Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Big tears , 09-10-2002 13:00:47  
We didn't put all that crap on the motor,he did it! Trying to s t r e t c h a lot of rules, but alas, the block IS TOO SHORT, so he is ILLEGAL! That should be the only ruling!! Time will tell if they use their own tape measurers or his!



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Slowride

09-10-2002 14:03:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Little tears, 09-10-2002 13:06:43  
I have another question for the board; besides the one's about the block not being the right length, heads that never came on that motor being combined, etc. It is, what kind of an intake manifold would IH (or a recognized manufacturer) have ever produced for two V-8 heads being welded together to make an inline-6? I'm sure that he'll try and claim the exhausts were made, but an intake? It says clearly in the current division V rules that the manifold must be made by the manufacturer of the block and heads. This is just another area where Bear is trying to stretch the existing rules. The board needs to step up and make a ruling on the lack of legality of this tractor. There are already two similar motors to this currently being built, so SOMEONE needs to make a decision.

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Drew

09-10-2002 14:09:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Slowride, 09-10-2002 14:03:20  
I'm sure that the same machine shop that made the heads manufactured the manafold to go along with it. That would make it legal wouldnt it ;-)



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Drew

09-10-2002 14:09:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Lustik's Silver Bullet to run NATPA winter circuit?!? in reply to Slowride, 09-10-2002 14:03:20  
I'm sure that the same machine shop that made the heads manufactured the manafold to go along with it. That would make it legal wouldnt it ;-)



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