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IH man

09-13-2002 06:42:34




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Ive been trying to get my H to start pulling better. But when it gets a hard pull it falls flat on its face. Heres a list of stuff Ive already done. I checked for debree in fuel tank -breather in gas cap-throttle linkage for play -gov. hi idle screw is backed all the way out - gov. timed with the carb.-good compession - I also tried checking the timing buy I could turn the mag. full left and full right and it didnt seem to change - I put a K-N air filter on it - Ive tried a higher actane gas still no luck.Im stumped its time for some more help thanks for your time.

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redhead

09-15-2002 07:30:20




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 Re: H power loss in reply to IH man, 09-13-2002 06:42:34  
The governor spring could be weak, wire about three of the spring coils together and see if it helps. Also, check the govenor weights and spool for excess wear which can cause sticking and binding. If it's real nasty inside (most of them are) remove it and clean it throughly.

Have you checked the carb float level? Also, be sure the float is not cracked/leaking or binding. This probably isn't your main problem, but can make other problems worse.

When your turning the mag L and R, are you sure that you have loosened the correct bolts? I'm not familiar with adjusting mag timing but the manual explains that the dist cap must be removed and the impulse coupling timing checked. Look at a manual, it will make more sense. Good Luck.

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redhead

09-14-2002 18:34:47




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 Re: H power loss in reply to IH man, 09-13-2002 06:42:34  
I'm concerned that you can go full L or R with the mag and not get any change. If this was on a dyno, this is VERY BAD. Concider changing to a distributor and electronic ignition (best set up for pulling, plus MSD box is even better). Also, just as the other post said, fuel and air starvation will have a similar effect. Do not bore/stroke yet, get your stock motor pulling to it's max first and than step up, otherwise you will be chasing the same problems, only on a greater scale. Good Luck and keep us posted.

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IH man

09-15-2002 06:39:23




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 Re: Re: H power loss in reply to redhead, 09-14-2002 18:34:47  
Ill have to see about getting a distributer for it . But do you guys think its possible to have weak gov springs. Because I only rebuilt the engine I never touched the gov only to see if it was timed to the carb. The tractor was just sitting in a old barn for about 25-30 years and never ran.I still cant bring it up to rpm's.



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Jon Aller

09-15-2002 18:02:32




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 Re: Re: Re: H power loss in reply to IH man, 09-15-2002 06:39:23  
Yes, the governor could have problems. Take the plate off of the side of the governor and look at the spring, watch the mechanism while someone opens and closed the throttle. Wiggle the weights and see if they are loose on their mounting points. It you take the spring out, it should be stiff and hard to pull by hand. If not, get a new one. Take your H out on the road in 5th gear and go up a small hill at half throttle, if the hill is steep enough it should put enough load on the engine to open the governor. If your engine starts pulling down, open the throttle full, it shouldn't make a lot of difference in the RPM since the governor should have already opened up the carburetor. If your governor is not doing its job, when you open the throttle with the engine under load the RPMs will climb rapidly. These are things that you should be able to fix easily.

Jon

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Jon Aller

09-13-2002 09:16:54




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 Re: H power loss in reply to IH man, 09-13-2002 06:42:34  
Is you engine stock stroke? What is the bore? What is the cranking compression in PSI?

If you don't want to bore/stroke, start by getting a distributor and make sure the advance mechanism is working. You can get more advance, easier from a distributor than the mag. Can you back out the load screw on the carb enough to over fuel it? If not, take the carb apart and make the holes in the main jet tube larger, and possibly the jet too. Make small changes and test. While you have the carb apart, try a larger venturi. You can find them at junk yards, or you IH dealer. There is a number cast onto the unit, the larger the number the larger the bore. Next you could use a head from a 300/350, and if you are going to use the head you should also use the manifold and carb. Have the head ports cleaned and smoothed, and plane the head to increase your compression. You could also install larger valves in the head, several automotive valves can be made to work and they are much cheaper to use than the stock replacements. You could also install a 350 camshaft, or have yours reground.

Of course, anytime you change or improve the engine you will need to re-adjust your timing and carburation to take advantage of the change.

Jon Aller

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IH man

09-13-2002 21:22:05




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 Re: Re: H power loss in reply to Jon Aller, 09-13-2002 09:16:54  
The engine stroke and bore is stock and Ill have to double check the compression and get back to you Thanks for the response I didnt think of any of that.



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BigCubesH

09-13-2002 07:16:36




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 Re: H power loss in reply to IH man, 09-13-2002 06:42:34  
it's time to call your local machine shop..bore/stroke it and quit messing around. If don't want to spend much, at least bore it..you're asking a lot out of an H. Wheeler Rittenger's H "used" to dominate light classes..don't think he one a class all last winter!! If he did, it was only one...times/power changes!!



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puller

09-13-2002 07:40:52




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 Re: Re: H power loss in reply to BigCubesH, 09-13-2002 07:16:36  
Wheeler won 3 pulls last year 1 in div 4 and two in div 5 and was 2nd in div 5 and 3rd in div 4 in points. Wheeler didnt build his tractor lemmons tractor service did in rushville indiana . and one of the tractors that beat him out in div 4 is gregg lemmons on his 350 utility. So Wheeler is about maxed out cause gregg lemmons is not gonna build one to beat his own tractor.



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Wheeler needs V-8 Heads, too!

09-13-2002 08:20:54




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 Re: Re: Re: H power loss in reply to puller, 09-13-2002 07:40:52  
Maybe Wheeler should have Lemmons make him a set of V-8 heads like they did Bear! I'm sure it'd be OK in Div 4 too! Well, Wheeler isn't on the board though, so that may not be legal then! Wonder how many other "goofy" things Lemmons is doing to make their M's run so well? They better get them running better though cause the Olivers are a coming!!!



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