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MH44six

09-25-2002 21:53:41




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I have a question for all you old pullers out there. This is my first year out with my 55. I've been running all year long with the drawbar short and at max hieght. Most of my pulls have been split between tmo sleds. One small sled with a long chain, and a LARGE sled with a short chain. The small sled was designed and built for NATPA antique use and the Big sled was primarily built for Super Stock and modified use. I always spin out when using the small sled. should I move my drawbar back to get some wieght of the front. Conversely I Spin out in the lighter classes and power out in the heavier classes with the big sled. I usually go farther in the heavier classes.
8500 is about my best class, with either sled. What I need to know is how I can get more traction in the lighter classes. I have one more pull this year with the little sled...

Derrick aka mh44six

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Bill Peets

09-30-2002 03:32:53




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 Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to MH44six, 09-25-2002 21:53:41  
I have a simular problem I guess that comes with tractor pulling getting the draw bar set for a paticular tractor and track. I get several suggestions one always being shorten it and the other always being lengthen it. No one ever tells me it is just right. Can't seem to get the front end off the ground no matter where I put it. Seems like off the ground an inch or two might be a good idea.



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SEAMO

09-26-2002 19:05:43




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 Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to MH44six, 09-25-2002 21:53:41  
I don't suppose you have much movable weight on the front. If you do have move it to the back. Is your rear weight in front or behind the rear axle??Your rear axle is the pivot point or the fulcrum . Look in the Webster dictionary under fulcrum it will be easier for you to understand. Is there another tractor like yours in the light class that always beats you?? Just weigh your rear axle and do some comparison with the friend. Earl

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mh44six

10-01-2002 23:17:51




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 Re: Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to SEAMO, 09-26-2002 19:05:43  
My rear wight bars are about 16 inches behind the center of the rear axle. I dont even use the hanger on the front of my tractor except to bind the old girl on the trailer. I use the middle bar for balancing. I've never had more than 300 pounds in the middle except for my infrequent forays into the 10500 class... I understand a fulcrum. Two years in a Mech Engineering major at college will do that. I guess what I'm asking is, Is there a point of diminishing returns, where the drawbar would be too long to do any good. The 55 is VERY nose heavy. Just not as easy to balance as my 101sr or my MM U...

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Seamo

10-02-2002 16:33:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to mh44six, 10-01-2002 23:17:51  
If I were trying to figure out a new tractor I would try to find a friend that pulled in the same weight class and have him weight up for that class for what he runs on the nose. Then I would compare the 2 tractors by just weighing the front end. Wheelbase would also figure into it. How does the "U" Moline compare? Do you have to run the standard drawbar? Let me know how they compare.I think sometimes there is a point of too long draw bar.It acts the same as too long chain on sled. My 2 cents Earl

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mh44six

10-02-2002 21:54:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to Seamo, 10-02-2002 16:33:49  
It's hard to comparte my tractor to a friend. So far this year I have only seen one other 55 at pulls and that tractor runs Div 4. Apples to oarnges there... The U is a narrow front row crop, I pull 5500 to 6500 with it and need to keep wieght out front to keep the nose down... Standard operating procedure as far as Im concerned. The 55 is a big standard tread with a short wheel base. Shorter than my 44 row crop wfe anyways... Well there's a pull on sunday up here in Western NY, so I'm gonna try going back about 8 inches and see how she acts...

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Seamo

10-03-2002 10:08:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to mh44six, 10-02-2002 21:54:39  
Your Moline weighted to the 5500lb class just the way you run it compared to the massey 55 just the way you run it . Weigh the front wheels (just the front end).Here in Illinois the std on the weight bracket for the front end is 11feet from center of rear axle to the farthest point forward (weight or bracket) this would be a good starting point. Try it you will like it. Earl



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ToddF

09-26-2002 09:34:10




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 Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to MH44six, 09-25-2002 21:53:41  
MH44six,

I've been experiencing the same thing for the past couple of years with my JD. I always hooked short and high and figured that was the best scenario. After being consistently beat by my brother who has a quick hitch on his Farmall that is hanging out the back at near 30" from the rear axle I decided to do some calculating. We definitely have to add substantially more weight on the front of the Farmall to keep it down. I put together a spreadsheet that calculates the amount of weight transfered to the rear wheels and varied the position of the weight added to the tractor and the length of the drawbar. Assuming my formulas are correct, the result shows that regardless of weight position or drawbar length combination, once the front end has tranferred all the weight to the back wheels you have reached the maximum traction condition possible. For a given center of mass too short a drawbar will not tranfer all of the tractor weight to the rear wheels, to long a drawbar will not tranfer all the sled weight possible to the rrear tractor wheels. The part of this that gets sort of hard to predict is how much traction will the track conditions support? You could take cone readings and there are fomulas that would allow you to try and predict the right drawbar length for a given tractor and track, I've never seen anybody doing this at any of the pulls I've been to though.

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phil

09-26-2002 08:53:37




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 Re: Chain and Drawbar length... in reply to MH44six, 09-25-2002 21:53:41  
You've got it correct, you'll need to lengthen the drawbar for the light classes. That will transfer more weight from the front to the rear wheels. Most of the 'front lift' comes from the horizontal portion of the load at the drawbar, ie, the tractor is trying to drive out from under the horizontal load. Since the vertical load is not nearly as big, you may need to lengthen the drawbar a foot or more to see the effect. Good luck.

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