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RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS

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VALLEY PULLER (

10-31-2002 15:43:00




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I here there is going to be a meeting sometime this comming month. Does anybody know? The first thing that needs to be done is get a new chairman. A few less JD committee members would also make thing more fair. There are to be class put in for every one not just slow JD pullers!!!
You would think with the turnout at all of the pulls Paul Horn and Jr. kibler would see they are running it into the ground!!! SO PLEASE LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!

JUST MY TWO CENTS...

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Oliver 88

11-05-2002 15:51:59




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 Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to VALLEY PULLER (WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FUN NEXT YEAR), 10-31-2002 15:43:00  
The real joke is Horn raised cane until they let
him pull when he was 200lbs heavy at Wyers Cave
breaking the most basic rule of them all.The proof
is in how many show up and the most pullers show
up at the pulls that they have dumped the new rules.Also the Woodstock guys packed their committee with all JD guys while the other clubs
evenly distributed their reps between all brands
like they were supposed to do.FIX! FIX! FIX!

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Ford Guy

11-05-2002 18:22:46




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 Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Oliver 88, 11-05-2002 15:51:59  
Hey-men I could not have said it better my self.



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1952 SM

11-02-2002 07:55:04




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 Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to VALLEY PULLER (WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FUN NEXT YEAR), 10-31-2002 15:43:00  
When you can`t let 2 tractors pull in a class by them selves with out disqualifing them the rules have gotten out of hand...



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Slow A

11-01-2002 13:28:47




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 Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to VALLEY PULLER (WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FUN NEXT YEAR), 10-31-2002 15:43:00  
To: VALLEY PULLER
Whooa now! Are you one of the pullers that have pulled many years in the Shenandoah Valley of VA, which up until this year have not had any speed limits at all? Are you one of the pullers that have been pulling your 10K engine against division 2 pullers? Well, this year they allow you 300 RPM over and 4 MPH speed limit. Don't like that, they also have 300 RPM over and 6 MPH speed limit. Funny, most of the high dollar, hot tractors don't like this - you liked it better when you blew down the track 8 to 10 MPH pulling against "almost stock" tractors. Now you cry that you are no longer having fun. You call pulling out of your class and blowing away those 40-60 HP tractors with your 100+ HP tractor fun? OK, I'm all ears, tell me of any other 'real tractor organization' that does not have speed limits. No, I don't mean some outlaw track but a real antique tractor pulling organization. Please post back with that info. For your info I am not a member of the Valley pulling club, but pull at their tracks when I can....for my two cents they put on a good, fair show, for all colors of tractors. Please post back with rule changes you would like to see next year....really, we would all like to know.

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1952 SM

11-02-2002 08:06:11




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 Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-01-2002 13:28:47  
The people who ran every one away sure don`t mind pulling ALMOST STOCK JOHN DEERES, OLIVERS, and FARMALLS in the 4 mph class. They pushed out 2 or 3 hot tractors,but ran away alot of stock pullers.



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VALLEY PULLER

11-01-2002 19:13:35




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 Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-01-2002 13:28:47  
Yes I have pulled for years. Long before these cry babies started. The one thing I do not have is
a 10k engine. I build my own engines. A 4 MPH that
lets JD G and farmall M pull in 2 and 3 gear against stock tractors!! Thats fair? Did you not
read the part there should be classes for every one!!! You did have one thing right ALMOST STOCK
TRACTORS to many of them pullin a stock class.
That why there needs to be more classes. Most of these orgaization
also have 1st gear rule with a speed limit! There needs to be a true fast class 6 mph is slow 8 to 10 is not that fast. The stupid rules are what gets me like JD can us power block but farmalls can`t use tork, one size under front rims if it stock it should be stock size.

If I had a 100+ hp tractor I would not want to pull it against stock tractors, but it sure dose make me feel good when I full my 48 HP tractor against them and beat them...

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Slow A

11-03-2002 07:45:49




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 Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to VALLEY PULLER, 11-01-2002 19:13:35  
Duh....well now you've gone and done it, got me so confused I can't spell shirt. Your first post said, I think, that the speed limits favored the slow JD tractors. Uhhhh....well OK, does that mean that you think the 4 MPH is too slow or too fast; I thought you were saying too slow. Your next post seems to indicate that you think 4 MPH is too fast ("lets JD G & IH M pull 2ND and 3rd gear). You also say the fast class too slow- should be 8 to 10 MPH. Well allright....now we're gettin' somewhere! Make "stock" tractors pull 1st gear only; that will be fair..... oh no, I forgot, some tractors have a creeper gear with top speed of 1.5 MPH; some have top speed of over 3 MPH (from factory-stock specs). Oh good Lord, then you have high/low range & high/low side of T/A. Well nobody said this stuff was easy, but I am trying to understand; where was I....oh yea, too fast or too slow....this hurts my head....I'm so confused. Want to go faster in the 'FAST' class, sure I do....boy oh boy, this is fun now! Let them suckers rip!! Never mind there is no wheelie bar rule now, they are for sissy drivers anyway. We do'nt need no kill switches, guard rails, scatter shields....no sir, sissy stuff, might kill a few but what the hey, if they can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Glad to hear you whippin' up on 'em with 48HP.

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Valley Puller

11-03-2002 09:53:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-03-2002 07:45:49  
Well we can`t make every one happy. We can make it some what fair. Pulling tractors in 2nd & 3rd gear in the SLOW CLASS is not fair. It should be a STOCK LOW GEAR NOT TO EXCEED 4 MPH CLASS. As for some tractors having 1.5 first or 3.5 first gears that the tractor you chose to pull or have to pull and that what it is surpost to be about. If they all had the same first gear speed, HP, wheels, tires, hitch design, and driver style what would be the point of going we would all tie. The FAST CLASS 8 to 10 MPH would be a good speed. As for wheelie bars & kill switches all tractors should have them fast or slow!!!!! !! you can never be too safe! Side shields or scatter shields should not be needed if you only run 300 RPM over, but you should be able to use them if you want to. All that`s wright then the correct police would not let you pull. You can soup up the motor but you can`t make it look like you want or safer. Talk to the bright people on the rule committe.

As for my tractor I am not whippin up on no one it is always competive and I have fun. Thats what it is really about. Too many people have to win to have fun at a tractor pull that sad. The CRY-BABIES with all the fussing and backstabing is what will run the hole thing into the ground...and I hate to see it....

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Slow A

11-05-2002 07:20:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Valley Puller , 11-03-2002 09:53:09  
Well of all the unmitigated gall! After your personal attack on Horn and Kibler you can complain about "backstabing".

GOODBYE.



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Valley Puller

11-05-2002 17:56:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-05-2002 07:20:15  
Well some of us call them as we see them. Everything was fine before they teamed up!!! Attack no truth yes!!!!! !! You would think JD people who get the green magazine and read Mr. Thinker would not call there teck. people the correct police. Backstabing what else do you call it when these people make a decision and then point fingers at the others and say it was not me it was whem. None of them did it. Could it be that one, no that all of them are lying? Now this makes my head hurt.

Goodbye to you too!

Ps There was so few tractors at Saturday`s pull I thought I was going to get sick of them begging for money, selling 50/50 tickets, pulling for money, ect.
Did not need to do that 2 or 3 year ago..

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OOOOPS....My Mistake

11-06-2002 11:38:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Valley Puller, 11-05-2002 17:56:32  
My apologizes to all. I did not realize what the real issues were here..... not pulling rules at all but some political, we vs them, he said-they said, power play. SORRY I got in the middle of this game; been there, done that with my own club. Well, I am not a "we" or a "them" so I will 'butt out'. Slow A



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OHIO PULLER

11-06-2002 18:59:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to OOOOPS....My Mistake, 11-06-2002 11:38:12  
I don.t think these VALLEY PULLERS want to pull, they want to CRY!!!!! !! I guess they want a class for each tractor, one tractor per class.



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Valley Puller

11-06-2002 17:44:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to OOOOPS....My Mistake, 11-06-2002 11:38:12  
It was your buddy`s you took up for that started the political game.
Can`t we make rules and classes for every one with out the politics.



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Slow A

11-06-2002 20:54:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Valley Puller , 11-06-2002 17:44:31  
I did not 'take up' for anyone, buddy or otherwise. I was talking pulling rules. I speak for myself and that's all. When I do speak, be it in person or on a computer, you and everyone else knows who is speaking. If you want to talk pulling rules thats fine, I'll be more than happy to do that. Trouble is, THIS WHOLE THING has has been tainted by political overtones....being a "slow learner" it took me a little while to catch on to that. YOU are taking MY pulling rule opionions as political, they are not. My "buddys" (your term, not mine) are big boys and can take of themselves. I don't have a clue if they read this board or not, I suspect not. If you want to talk politics, take it back to your club where it belongs and try to work it out face to face with the people who you are unhappy with. 'No name' slams will not solve any problems. Really, how much has it accomplished so far, except drag me in, and I can't help the "us-them-they did-we did'nt- my Daddy can beat up your Daddy" or any other political group. Fair pulling rules are my ONLY intrest- sure hope the rules are not trampled by other intrest (politics).

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Farmall Super M

11-01-2002 19:15:46




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 Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to VALLEY PULLER, 11-01-2002 19:13:35  
This valley puller is on the money.



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20 30 40

11-07-2002 18:50:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Farmall Super M, 11-01-2002 19:15:46  
The fast class should be open to weights of any kind. 300 rpm over STOCK high idle. 20 inch hitch 18 back from axle center, max tire per class that any tractor can use. Tip bars for safety a must! Press steel wheel front or rear. Front tire size does not matter they guide you on to the track that is all. Sled Man said He can handle 10 MPH. You fast tractor owners find the speed that Mr. Bill can handle maybe 2 and maybe draw speed for the day at drivers meeting. These classes will bring in people to watch our pulls.

Stock is ALL Stock. Parts book proof of size, type and position or you run fast class. Parts book will tell you what gear any tractor should run to be able to attain the stock speed limit.

Stock allowed changes 1. 1 size over rear tires (No Change)
2. 300 RPM over high idle RPM (N/C)
3. 12 volt ignition up grade, this has been done to most 6 volt tractors today. (N/C)
4. Hitch sizing to attain 18/20 position. (N/C)
5. Natural progression replacement parts. (N/C)
These to be the only changes allowed away from production STOCK.

You play in the class you like the most.

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Slow A

11-08-2002 13:33:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to 20 30 40, 11-07-2002 18:50:31  
EXCELLENT! OUTSTANDING! Only two things still a little fuzzy.

1. What should the stock speed limit be? Rember, the faster the speed, the more advantage it will be to the "almost stock tractor". A speed limit of 3 MPH would not hurt a true stock tractor.

2. FAST class tractors can NEVER pull in the stock class.

My two cents.....
4 MPH, as it is now, is way too much for a stock pulling tractor....if you can pull at 4MPH and spin out, but not power out, then Brother; "you ain't stock". Shoot, if you can even get it up to 4 MPH and not have it fall on it's face half way up the track, then you ain't stock.

Two more cents....heck, I'll give you a-buck-two-ninety eighty on this one.....
Yes, the more tractors that are pulled, the more money for whoever is putting the show on, local fire dept or what ever, all for a good cause... BUT.....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PI$$ PEOPLE OFF THEN KEEP DOIN' THIS CRAP. I am glad to see most, not all, but most 'stroker motors' are now pulling in the FAST class. We all know you need the money for orgizinations, but please, no more class jumping.

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1952sm

11-08-2002 18:43:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-08-2002 13:33:53  
When we made the two classes that was the way it was supost to be you pulled in the one that fit your tractor. We made lots of good rules and some bad ones. The problem is that like the class rule someone changed, misinturped, added to, make-up, or totaly ignored the rules.

The pulls that had the best turn out were the pulls that would not inforce the new one made last winter. (ie. weyers cave rockingham fair) Why because peaple are tired of the b*tching. I help put on & run the pull at the fair it was not purfect we had our problems, but everyone had fun. The thing they liked the best there was no b*tching. THE B*TCHING & POLITICS HAS GOT TO GO!

What do you want to see changed I am open to ideals? We need to do something.

That my 3 dollor verision.
1952sm (David Seal)

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20 30 40

11-08-2002 18:10:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-08-2002 13:33:53  
I agree 4 is too fast for stock. Mr Bill has the numbers to tell what the average stock class speed should be. We started at 3 and most could work with this but the fords are so fast in 1st. Would 3.5 work I do not know. I do know we must try to make all happy or we will not have a club or places to play. We all need to be a little more open to the other mans concerns. With all the dirts we play on, Any tractor could win if we do this right. What do you think should be done to make fair for all?

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Slow A

11-08-2002 19:46:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to 20 30 40, 11-08-2002 18:10:14  
Good point about SOME of the fast Fords; some of the 4 speed models (601? really can't rember) have a fast 1 st gear, but the same model with a 5 speed was OK at 3.5 MPH. Another one right on the edge is the JD 70. Us "flat land pullers" in VA, Southern Maryland and most of North Carolina (places I pull on a regular basis) all have the 3.5 mph rule AND 10% over on RPM. Other than the "OUTLAW TRACKS" nobody lets you turn more than 10% over stock with the exception THE VALLEY PULLERS. 300 RPM over stock is more than 20% on most all Oliver, IH, A/C, MM and about 30% for most JDs. Remember, these high RPMs not only help the 'MORE MODIFIED TRACTORS' THAN THE 'STOCK' tractors, they increase speed. Most all JD 70 pullers in the above mentioned locations have gone to 15.5 x 38 to keep thier speed down. The Ford guys (4 speeds) tell me they only run about 7 to 8% over on well worn tires and watch the tack real close...for the most part, they don't have a problem with it. (Southern Maryland has a lot serious Ford pullers!) Don't know what to make of these Ford people, they don't care where they finish in thier class but they lay down some serious money on side bets againt each other!!!

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1946FarmallB

11-10-2002 15:33:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-08-2002 19:46:24  
Hi Yall Just Wanted To Say Hi To All Of You Guys If You Dont Know Who This Is Its The Only Girl That Pulls In The Valley With No Fear Of Heights Speaking Of My Front End. Its Carrie Menefee Just Wanted To Say Hi



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Ford Guy

11-08-2002 17:58:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RULES FOR SHEN. VALLEY PULLS in reply to Slow A, 11-08-2002 13:33:53  
What about a ford 8n that will do 3.5 in first?



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