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Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation

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luv2pull

11-02-2002 21:42:10




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I am building an oliver with 4-3/8 sleeves and pistons. I have the engine all tore down and it has cracks between all of the liners on the top and between one of the webs in the bottom of the block. Should I ignore these since there wont be much left when I get done boring out for the sleeves or should I at least weld the bottom up. I am going to have hard block poured into the block about half full after the sleeves are installed, will this eliminate any water getting to the bottom crack. Was also wandering where to get a copper head gasket made that wouldnt break my bank. Is there anywhere that would do this for maybe 100 dollars. I am going to use a 99 oliver head.
I am using a crank out of a 195 gk or (320 cu. in.) stationary engine, same as 99 oliver crank. This crank has 2-5/8 rod journals and am planning on using 88 oliver rods. Will these rods hold up using good rod bolts. Do I need to harden the rods or polish them. I do need to mention that this is a diesel that I am building. I know that you probably think that I am crazy building an oliver diesel when it would be easy as pie to build a gas engine. I want to build a diesel and it is only going to div. III so it should be able to do just fine. When I get done the engine should be 4-3/8 x 4-3/8 and I might consider having the crank stroked enough to get 4-1/2.

Any kind of help is much appreciated, I have built other brands of tractors already but dont know everything that I need to know about an oliver yet.I figure that someone out there has built an engine similar to this and wouldnt mind saving a guy some grief. Thanks in advance.

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bigmotors

11-05-2002 14:07:22




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 Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to luv2pull, 11-02-2002 21:42:10  
Try to find another block if you can. But, when you sleeve that big, they seem to crack down in that area anyway down the road. A late super or 880 block, is a little bet stronger block. I'd offset the crank with D-19 AC rods. 2 inch jor. and longer rod. Should be strong enough. Or early 77 rods. 2-inch jor. 6.750 long. Massey 65 rods again 2-inch jor. 7.00 inchs long. If you can, I'd bore out the 195 block for around 4.250 to 4.375, save alot of money and problems. You could get by with the head gasket at 4.250 also.
Good Luck!

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oliverpullin

11-03-2002 06:07:01




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 Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to luv2pull, 11-02-2002 21:42:10  
Trust me, your going to leak water into the crankcase. Hardblock may seal it for a short period but it will crack and separate and leak. Clarks copper head gaskets makes nice gaskets for around $80. He has the pattern for a 88 block all you need to do is tell him the bore-763-786-9590.good luck- Too bad you cant use the 195 block! You wouldnt have to worry about water leaking then.



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luv2pull

11-03-2002 17:51:01




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 Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to oliverpullin, 11-03-2002 06:07:01  
I forgot to mention that I am also using some 3m sealant around the base of the liners. It is supposed to seal it without the hard block but I want to do everything that I can to make it not leak. Thanks for the info, much appreciated.



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A.P.

11-03-2002 07:36:52




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 Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to oliverpullin, 11-03-2002 06:07:01  
How far can a 195 block be bored?

A.P.



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luv2pull

11-03-2002 17:56:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to A.P., 11-03-2002 07:36:52  
I will have 2 195 blocks and one crankshaft when I am done getting what I need out of them. If anyone is interested, then just e-mail me.



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Tony

11-03-2002 08:50:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to A.P., 11-03-2002 07:36:52  
A 195 block can be bored to 4 3/8" safely without resleeving...



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luv2pull

11-05-2002 15:47:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to Tony, 11-03-2002 08:50:29  
I might add that this 195 crank goes right into the super88 block and the rods are angle cut like a International H rod. I am going to get the crank stroked 1/2 inch. and probably wont have to grind any off of the block, I think that it will clear. It is also a pressure fed rod and crank and the oil pump is a gear pump that drops right into the 88 block also. I will end up with a 2-5/8 rod journal and the engine will be 4-3/8 x 4-1/2.

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A.P.

11-06-2002 09:46:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to luv2pull, 11-05-2002 15:47:01  
You might want to convert the engine over to a Roosa-Master injection pump. They seem to work a little better on the tractors that I've seen run them. I'm looking forward to hearing how your engine runs. I was hoping to build a similar engine this winter. I might be interested in some of the parts you have left over.

Take care,
A.P.



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luv2pull

11-06-2002 19:12:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 4-3/8 sleeve installation in reply to A.P., 11-06-2002 09:46:27  
Actually, I have a guy that works at a diesel shop that is doing all of the injection pump work for me for free. All he wants his business name on a little plaque on the tractor. He is going to put a model 100 rotary pump together for me. With a little grinding on the housing of the pump, it should fit. The mounting holes are exactly the same. We should get plenty of fuel with that. If that does not work then I will have to go with the roosa master. E-mail me if you are interested in the parts. Thanks

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