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Farmall-Biased?

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Rick(MN)

12-08-2002 10:50:37




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I've read this forum for quite some time now...and have been constantly amazed by the knowledge and creativity of the people here. Because of the competitive nature of the subject matter, I can understand the disagreements. I am curious about the logic of a recent post. If a TA is a factory option on the tractor, how can it being allowed to be used be biased toward that brand. If that logic is correct, isnt prohibiting it biased toward the other brands? Or, isnt speed limits biased toward the brands with slower factory RPM's and the larger factory cubic inches?
I dont mean to start a brand or color war by any means, but it occurs to me that if the manufacturer put it there, it ought to be legal. Thanks for any opinions. Rick

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Puller504

12-09-2002 03:38:27




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
It's ironic, isn't it? We pull in classes that are limited in horsepower by a dyno. Rules state that shifting is permitted as long as forward motion doesn't stop. Is VERY competitive between tractors with powershift capability and those without. Our rules allow my Oliver 1600 with a Hydra-Power Drive to compete against John Deere 4020's with A LOT more cubic inches that have a Syncro-Range Transmission. The guys who run Deeres with the Powershift Trans don't usually shift because the tractor might stop momentarily under a heavy load. My daughter competes well with our IH504 (153 cubes) against M's and Olivers with 100 cubic inches more! We won't pull anywhere The TA isn't allowed. I used TA's in farming for 30 years and it is FACTORY ORIGINAL! Many antique Pullers who complain about a TA are themselves running MUCH larger engines than the tractor came with from the FACTORY! Yes a TA would SOMETIMES be an advantage, but you must know how to use it effectively! Sorry for the long post, is a topic I have much interest in. Don

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shaggy

12-08-2002 20:42:55




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
I don't pull but the guys around here use the torque and most of them blow the tires away when the pull it down to the low side. wouldn't it be better to use a higher gear? Don't know never been their or done that.



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Red Rider

12-08-2002 20:15:06




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
The ridiculous part is that most club rules allow you to shift up but not down.



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12-09-2002 03:44:31




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 Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Red Rider, 12-08-2002 20:15:06  
it's the same rules that forbid a TA and front end suitcase weights but REQUIRE a tractor to have "wheely bars" which NO TRACTOR had as original equipment!



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2 cylinder

12-08-2002 18:37:25




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
9 times out of 10 when the guys with the torques that can shift, usually don't change the outcome of the pull unless they are running twice the horsepower of those that don't have the torque.



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Donnie

12-08-2002 16:40:54




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
Here in Indiana they have rules that the Farmall's can't use their torques. (That came from the factory with) But yet we can't run press steel wheels on the back of Farmalls. (Because they didn't come from the factory that way) Does this seem unfair? If the Deeres and Molines and Olivers, (Very few acctually came from the factory with pressed steel) are allowed to use the wheels we ought to be able to use the torques. My two cents worth. Donnie

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Barry

12-08-2002 14:17:24




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 Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Rick(MN), 12-08-2002 10:50:37  
I'm with you on that subject, Rick. If the manufacturer put it there it ought to be legal. I pull with a JD, and if a guy wants to use a T/A it never bothered me. If it did, I wouldn't whine about it either, I'd go get a tractor with a T/A, or some other kind of power shift. I can't believe that some one would sit at home, and refuse to pull, just because someone might be allowed to shift once going down the track. Look at it this way, the guys that are using a T/A are getting down there faster, and keeping the pull moving a little bit faster, so I get to pull sooner. If you allow them to shift or not, 9 times out of 10, they are going to be in the same gear at the end of the track anyways, aren't they?

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Dave

12-08-2002 16:54:21




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 Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Barry, 12-08-2002 14:17:24  
I have a IH 400 that we pull. I do use my TA when allowed to get down the track a little faster to get to the point of losing power and THEN having to pull the TA and going to the lower side. When we are at a pull where we can't use it, we just start out in the low side and take forever to get to the fun part. I look on the TA as one more thing that I can screw up going down the track. It's not that uncommon to see someone mess up by pulling it too late and spinning out. We have one guy pulling a JD with a super low gear. I wish he DID have a TA to pull. I've seen the flag man lay down on the track to wait for him!!!!! !!!

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Jerry

12-08-2002 16:44:00




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 Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Barry, 12-08-2002 14:17:24  
If the rules spell out no shifting the guys should start out in the range they want to stay in otherwise make it fair for the rest of us to start off in third or forth and down shift to second near the end of the pull.



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You can

12-10-2002 14:27:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Jerry, 12-08-2002 16:44:00  
shift your tractor any way you wish, Jerry but if forward motion stops, yer done!!



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Wheels

12-08-2002 21:07:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Jerry, 12-08-2002 16:44:00  
Jerry,

If you can shift gears on a tractor going down the track and not stop moving, You are a lot better man than I. LOL If the skid is making the tractor work you will be at a dead stop the moment you push the clutch.

Good luck

Wheels



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suds

12-09-2002 05:24:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall-Biased? in reply to Wheels, 12-08-2002 21:07:17  
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