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ken

12-15-2002 06:58:39

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I have pulled at the Murray KY. Pull for the last 3 Yr. To bad last year was my last. Being from Murray its fun to go home to pull in front of friends . I had allways thought the $20 was high but the $25 put me over the edge. So NATPA's rude crew won't have me to deal with this year. Ken B

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Farmall Daddy

12-15-2002 14:45:35

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Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 06:58:39

I've never heard of any place that chrges $25.00 per hook! In my own opinion, you guys are really getting screwed over. Up in the Auburn, and Harlan Indiana area, we only have to pay $8.00-$10.00 max for our pulls, and some guys complain that is too much!

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mta puller

12-16-2002 07:42:01

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to Farmall Daddy, 12-15-2002 14:45:35

well, it's like this, I've watched two of these events so far and what I know is this, if your going to pull at a national event, and do at least a 5th place finish, your gonna spend some money, now the way things are in our country right now, the only people doing this are either retired,or independently wealthy. Most of these people go to nearly all the scheduled events, as I have heard that last month so and so were there and they did this or that, well the truth is that I will never go to a natpa pull because , yes it exceeds my standards on expenses, now I didn't say I couldn't afford it, but it is too much for the average Joe, I don't mean that I am wealthy, I am the average puller, You do what you enjoy and on a certain level, I have nothing against the natpa, but I also don't run with them either, Most people know where they fit into tractor pulling, do what makes you happy and stick with it, I know people who take more time with their tractors than they do their wife and kids, The sky is the limit and as long as people have money to spend , they will continue to push the limits of this sport, have fun.

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GET REAL

12-15-2002 15:21:32

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to Farmall Daddy, 12-15-2002 14:45:35

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN OUTDOOR PULL ON A CHEAP TRACK AND THE SLED IS PROBABLY OWNED BY THE CLUB. BUILDINGS ARE EXPENSIVE TO RENT, SLEDS ARE EXPENSIVE TO RENT, AND THE HOOK FEES ARE REALLY THE SMALLEST EXPENSE OF AN NATPA PULL. GAS TO GET THERE CAN EASILY COST MORE THAN HOOK FEES. HOTEL ROOMS ARE AT LEAST $50 A NIGHT.

SURELY YOUR CLUB MAKES SOME MONEY OR ARE THEY PAYING BACK 100% AND LOSING MONEY JUST TO MAKE IT CHEAP FOR EVERYBODY TO PULL? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN!!!!! !!

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Jeff

12-15-2002 20:41:17

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to GET REAL, 12-15-2002 15:21:32

A cheap track and a club owned sled huh? Well I was up at Murray last year and to be honest I saw some better tracks this summer than that one was. As for a club owned sled, we have a club about 30 miles from here that owns one. We also have about 6 pulls in this area ( 20 miles max from where I live ) in which we/they rent a sled. Now if the promoter or sled owner sets the hook fees the I would suggest they the NATPA look for a different sled owner as the one used around here hooks for $10 in farm stock and $15 in open class. I am assuming he is still making money cause he drives all over putting them on.

I don't know of many people who loose money at something and continue to do it. As for the advertising I had assumed that since the Murray pull is NATPA sanctioned then that would mean they are in charge. From what I saw most of the folks working it other than actual sled operators were club members and they usually don't draw a paycheck for working thier own pull.

It is intersting someone brought up the payback though as I have been wondering what it is in NATPA. I would figure the Div V pays really good at some of the prices folks pay to build a tractor for it. Just can't see paying $20,000 for a tractor to win a trophy or something like that. Then again I can remember when showing horses was done for fun too until someone decided to pay money to the winners instead of trophies. Saw people paying $5-7000 for a horse to win $10-25, and this was over 20 years ago!

OH well, I had thought about going up friday night but since I don't have wheelie bars and the design I have won't pass NATPA inspection the way I read them I'll be in the audience watching.

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A Puller

12-15-2002 13:02:42

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Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 06:58:39

The promoter decides the amount to charge for entry fees,not the NATPA.

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ken

12-15-2002 16:54:04

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to A Puller, 12-15-2002 13:02:42

Then NATPA needs to look at there Promoter. And you can get the Trophies far a lot less ther $10. I don't care about WHO makes the profit . they are not getting mine. Ken

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A Puller

12-18-2002 14:44:12

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 16:54:04

If you think it is so profitable,why aren't you a promoter. There might be as much money in that as there is in constant complaining without participation.

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USAP Profits?

12-15-2002 17:44:20

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 16:54:04

I suppose you think John Lampkin puts on pulls for free. It is a business for him and I'm sure he makes plenty. Unless he has changed his mode of operation, he has volumteer workers and buys them a meal for all their hours of work.

But he is just like all the other promoters - if he didn't make a good profit he wouldn't put on the pulls.

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Ken

12-16-2002 14:39:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to USAP Profits?, 12-15-2002 17:44:20

I went to a USAP pull 2 weeks ago it was $15 a hook.

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Another puller

12-15-2002 14:59:37

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to A Puller, 12-15-2002 13:02:42

I am directly involved with the one of the NATPA pulls and I know for a fact that after all of the expenses, it does not take maybe a little over half of the money that they will make at $25 a hook to run the thing. Dont kid me, somebody is seeing a profit and it is not right to make a profit off of a sport that all you get in return is a $10 dollar trophy. If we are all in this for fun then tell the NATPA that we are going to use their rules and tell their crew to just stay home and we can get by charging what we need to just have a fun event. If they would lower the hook fee then they would make more because more hooks would be made per tractor. I hope I dont ruffle to many feathers here.

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maxpuller

12-15-2002 08:25:04

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Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 06:58:39

I just want to remind everyone what a fiasco that the NATPA Wauseon, Ohio was and you should reconsider the waste of time,hook expenses and travel expenses with an association that clearly doesn't enforce their own rules. Just my two cents! I was there for that fiasco and it's clear that the NATPA is just a more expensive version of a "brush pull". Unless, you're one of their little select group. When tractors weren't passing tech, they decided (without announcing to the pullers) to withdraw NATPA sanction and it became a free-for-all, run what ya brung, hope you brung enough, no rules apply. For the same single prices of $25.00 per hook, you too can be screwed!

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Jerry

12-15-2002 17:54:43

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to maxpuller, 12-15-2002 08:25:04

I think that $25.00 is high but I also know first hand that there isn't any big money in putting on a tractor pull. It cost money to advertize and provide INSURANCE if you can get it. Plus you are always fighting the fact that the weather might not cooperate. I am used to paying $10.00 also but I also know that the people putting on the pulls arn't making a killing. If they had to pay the help that is required they would quite holding the event. It takes a lot of tractors to break even some times and if a lot of you guys quite the cost will just get higher. The nice part of small back yard pulls with a club owned sled is still the way to go. The only way that the club that I belong to can exist is dues and renting our machine and scales out to the local fairs.

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Jack

12-15-2002 07:22:51

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Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to ken, 12-15-2002 06:58:39

Are they raising the price on the fun pull Friday night too?Later Ken.

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APULLERALSO

12-15-2002 17:43:45

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Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to Jack, 12-15-2002 07:22:51

WELL WELL let me tell you people somthing,I run a T-SLED club,and we charge $10 per hook,we have 6 to7 pulls per season,we average 140 to150 hooks per event,WE CLEARED, after ALL expenses$3000 ,were a non profit ORG. we give out trophys in all 14 classes,down to 3 places,sh##,NATPA IS NOT FOOLING ME.

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Jerry

12-16-2002 15:35:11

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA to rich far me in reply to APULLERALSO, 12-15-2002 17:43:45

Do you provide insurance? If you can get it the cost is very high (Usually over five hundred dollars) You are very lucky to get that many hooks. I run a fair pull in central Michigan and we get 50-80 hooks and just break even with the fair covering the insurance. I do pay the club that I belong to for using their sled and scales.

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