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wendel

12-19-2002 03:40:00




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What does everybody think about lowering front end of tractor for pulling?




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G Taylor

12-19-2002 20:20:49




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 Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to wendel, 12-19-2002 03:40:00  
Lowering the front end assists sled pulling by having gravity always pulling the tractor down hill.



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steveV

12-20-2002 17:42:19




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 Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to G Taylor, 12-19-2002 20:20:49  
Didn't Paul Bunyan subscribe to that same theory?



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LumbrJakMan

12-19-2002 17:14:32




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 Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to wendel, 12-19-2002 03:40:00  
cant see any reason to lower the front . I have been taught that you wanna see a bit of daylight under the front tires, so you got all your weight on your rears ! all that weight makes for a good pull . Got the trophies to prove it !!



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Jason

12-19-2002 17:04:51




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 Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to wendel, 12-19-2002 03:40:00  
Im not sure if this is right,but when the front end comes up your rear wheels won't turn as fast. All the torque being produced is working to bring the front of the tractor up instead putting it to the wheels. Lowering the front would probably help compensate. Say if you lower the front end 6 inches and when the lowered front end comes up 6 inches (tractor would be level) you didn't loose any thing. Just my thoughts. What does everyone else think?

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Ludwig

12-19-2002 17:43:44




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 Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to Jason, 12-19-2002 17:04:51  
Doesn't make sense, still losing torque while lifting the first six inches whether that brings you to level or takes you beyond it. Lifting is lifting.



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TimC

12-19-2002 06:07:14




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 Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to wendel, 12-19-2002 03:40:00  
You don't have to lift the weights as high. Lowering the front end makes it convient to remove unwanted weight from tractor i.e. lighter front ends.



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Agent Orange

12-19-2002 04:37:10




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 Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to wendel, 12-19-2002 03:40:00  
Looks cool...Bigger rear tires usually gets you there. Can,t see any other advantage other than longer distance back to level when you front goes up. Maybe a little better weight transfer.



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taxM

12-19-2002 11:42:38




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 Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to Agent Orange, 12-19-2002 04:37:10  
take some weights to the childrens playground and when you get to the see-saw begin to place weights on the see-saw. this experience will demonstrate balance, physics, etc. without technical terms.



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ken

12-19-2002 17:57:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to taxM, 12-19-2002 11:42:38  
how OLD are you when was the last time you seen a see-saw. but I understand



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full of it

12-19-2002 17:28:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to taxM, 12-19-2002 11:42:38  
u guys been smokin something.



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done it

12-19-2002 19:25:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to full of it, 12-19-2002 17:28:15  
Dont forget the part where the draw bar gets dropped more quickly when a "low " front end gets in the air.



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Pythagorus

12-20-2002 18:28:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to done it, 12-19-2002 19:25:51  
Make a triangle using the ground, hook point and rear axle.

Now explain how the drawbar on a tractor with a "low front end" is going to move towards the ground faster than a tractor with a stock front end.



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m-6

12-20-2002 04:26:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to done it, 12-19-2002 19:25:51  
We went with a group from PA to Columbus last March for the Dekalb Pull, and one of the guys with us made up a light front end for his farmall H. He designed it to keep the front end at the same height as stock. I'm not sure if the measurements were wrong, or whether it just looked out of proportion because of the small tires out front on a long post, but it looked like it was sitting up hill. He placed 2nd out of probably over 25 tractors in the 3500 class. After the pull one of the guys with us said "boy you really ought to lower that front end - look at all them AC's that have the low front ends - that's the way they need to be - these guys are pros out here". That guy left, and the owner of the H looked at me and his dad, then looked at his printout of the results, and said "yea, and I beat every one of them AC's!"

I thought it looked funny, but the results spoke for themselves. The physics don't make sense to me, but it hooks well almost all of the time with that high front end. Maybe it's a fluke, but he's not changing it. It was the 1st time he was out to Dekalb, and now I think he might get hungry for more!

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Earl

12-20-2002 15:05:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to m-6, 12-20-2002 04:26:42  
it makes sense to have the front end up farther to me as the higher the front end the higher the drawbar is in relation to the rear axel, so if you lower the front end you end up having to lower the drawbar to keep it the same height



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Gman

12-20-2002 18:18:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Actual tractor talk in reply to Earl, 12-20-2002 15:05:29  
I don't pull a whole lot,but I try to put a lot of emphases on reading track and weight placement to me balance is the name of the game,if the frontend gets up above my shoe top I've usually had the lick,because when front comes up draw bar goes down.I run 18.4x38 rear and 6:00x16 w/front gives a nice little rake to it.Gman



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