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MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt?

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PowerlineMM

01-30-2003 07:17:51

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How light can a guy get a 335 MM tractor? I think they were 3700 pounds new. What does that front axle weigh alone? (Drop and go to narrow front.) I think a 335 built good could show some WC/WD/WD-45s who's the boss and do it with some good old MM smallblock power. Not to mention Farmall H tractors too. What weight we talking here? 3000lbs? No offence to the A-C folks. Darn fine pulling machines. I would love some variety out there. Anyone done this? Input please! 3000# might be possible?

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slow mo 57

02-01-2003 18:46:47

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

If you you look back at hook magazine in one of last years books you will see 335 won div 3 jack pot class in 5500 or 6000 there was some good pulling tractors that had won in that class.If it can run heavy good it would more than likely be just as strong in 3500 div 3&4.you can make just about any thing strong if you have the money$$$$$$.It is just a lot jeeper to run a AC or H or some thing alot of people are pulling.335 are front heavy it is hard to get front end up in 3500 on any thing but a good sticky track.I have pulled against stock 335 in 3500 but that is why they will normaly run heavier classes.

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Farmall Daddy

02-01-2003 17:59:31

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

Better watch out for the WC's beacause I pull against a 335 moline. Guy told me what he's done to it. He bored it and all this hunky dory stuff. He came up to me and asked me what I had done to my puller. Told him is original{which it is}. His jaw about hit the floor. Watch out because I have a WC that has a good chance on womping on most people that want to take me on. Don't take it offensivly.

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Ethan

02-01-2003 20:29:55

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-01-2003 17:59:31

No offence taken. All in good fun! I think a WC motor has more potential. (Or D-17). But I like to see people build odd stuff and compete. I added the AC note to the subject line to provoke a response from folks, and I sure got it. I appreciate the input. Good luck pulling my friend!

Ethan Berry

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Just love to pull

01-30-2003 18:00:48

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

My thought of fun is going to a pull with my old C case that only makes 50 hp and pull aginst all the big engine tractors like you are talking about. I pull it in the 3500 and 4000 pound 3 1/2 mph class. I have beaten 400 + cube engines and have been beat by them also. So big hp is not a sure winner in the lower wieght classes. I have about a 50 50 average aginst the big cubes. The good part is they know i can beat them so they respect that and when i do i load my 1000$ tractor and they load thier 4000$ and up.

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PowerlineMM

01-30-2003 19:27:37

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Just love to pull, 01-30-2003 18:00:48

All in good fun. My $1000 U whoops butt on stone boat pulling. Or on a transfer sled in loose dirt. If you have the power to spin the tires in your class, that can be enough from what I have observed. When asked what I did to my tractor to make it pull well, I reply that I usually add a quart of oil before every pull (out of necessity). Love the old Case machines!

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Andy

01-30-2003 11:38:23

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

A 206 or 220 cube 335 would be a great stock puller with a speed limet. You could probably build a 206 R for a bit less money but you would loose the torque. I hate to sound negative but I can't see it competing with the A/C's in open classes,(I'm a MM man myself). I have often thought about building something to compete with them,(like a coop or custom with a 6cyl chrysler). It's hard to get the HP for the buck that they A/C's do. It's nice to see all brands pulling; it keeps things intersting

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PowerlineMM

01-30-2003 12:03:47

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Andy, 01-30-2003 11:38:23

Thanks. I've seen the hot A-Cs. I am thinking 350 cubes is achievable here witha 220. 80 hp is no prob. Probably can't compete with some of the WCs I've seen. I just think I can go really light. Do you agree? Not really interested in a Class 4 or 5 machine. Just some fun classes with higher speed limits and low weight. I have an R with 206 ZA motor bored to 227. (Plus some oddball tricks.) It will be done soon. The OHV motor would be an improvement. Just curious as to how light I can go. Love any oddball tractors pulling and winning. A Massey 44-6 weighs 4100 apparently. Nice 6 cyl. My 2cents. There is a Co-op E-3 here that can't be beat. You may see it at Columbus in March. It won there before. Hot stuff. Love to see these pull.

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Hey fellow pullers, check this guy out.

01-30-2003 10:37:08

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

I'm a little new to this web stuff but it seems some guys got nerve running down folks that are here to ask a few questions. Sounds like a neat idea and I ain't even a MM guy. Mr. MMfan whoever you are, (I wouldn't suppose you got a name) quit harpin on Mr. PowerlineMM and lets see some neat stuff out there pullin'. 335s and Jet Stars should be pretty light there, buddy, with just a little work maybe. Not as common as some, but it would be great to see. Anyone else got somethin' to add? Keep pullin man! Catch ya later.

Tractor Joe

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Tractor Joe

01-31-2003 07:07:36

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Hey fellow pullers, check this guy out., 01-30-2003 10:37:08

Joseph Wilson, Oklahoma. Love my 8N and WC. Good gardening tractors. The grandkids love them too. I pull locally once in a while with the WC. It does darn good. Nice to see some MMs. There are a few MM GB type sitting around yet. Visiting family out of state so I'm enjoying their fast computer and seeing what's new with internet tractor stuff. Guess I know now. Oh, well. Takes all kinds. Hopefully I will have e-mail soon. Keep pullin them things. That goes for "what's-your-name" too.

Joe

p.s. 450 cubes could be in my WC?!

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Hey Joe-Ethem

01-31-2003 18:11:32

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Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Tractor Joe, 01-31-2003 07:07:36

If you look at the top of any post you will see a number ie(12.4.24.247), That number is where the post cam from. Joe, Ethan, PowerlineMM, Mopower all have the same number. That tell us all that this is the same person. You are not fooling anybody. Grow up.

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Santa Claus

02-01-2003 20:53:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Hey Joe-Ethem, 01-31-2003 18:11:32

Cool. You ain't as daffy as you make yourself out to be! If anyone looked at the time of the posts, it is quite obvious anyway. Just testin ya there Mr. MM Fan. Just goes to prove ya can't pull one over on a MM guy. By the way. Work has resumed on the U. You are right about that, but..... I am continuing collecting parts for the small block puller. I pull for fun, not budget. It will take some work. Anyway, what is your name? Is that you Dwight? I'll grow up after you do. -Ethan

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MM Fan

01-30-2003 12:07:55

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Hey fellow pullers, check this guy out., 01-30-2003 10:37:08

Hey Powerline MM, Tractor Joe, Mopower, Ethan or what ever you want to call yopurself. Maybe you should be the one that uses your real name. At least I don't answer my own post

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Ethan Berry

01-31-2003 05:55:11

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Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to MM Fan, 01-30-2003 12:07:55

My name is Ethan Berry from MI. I usually use a name to go with the subject line or just goofin around and I always leave my e-mail for anyone who wishes to contact me. What's your name dude? I am all those guys, but Joe Tractor I cannot account for. As for you, get a life and take a chill pill. Removing the corn cob from your..... would help too. Don't know what anyone ever did to you. If you want something say so. By the way, I located that tractor I am buying for my Dad. He will be overjoyed. Look forward to seeing your U someday. Oh, a 335 can be stripped to 3300 pounds by eliminating just a few extras. If the tires can still spin, horsepower does you little good. Ta-ta for now, boy.

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MM Fan

01-31-2003 07:54:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Ethan Berry, 01-31-2003 05:55:11

There you go again with the lies. Yes that was your post that was signed "Joe Tractor".

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Ethan

01-31-2003 08:05:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to MM Fan, 01-31-2003 07:54:18

Dude, you are obsessed.

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MM Fan

01-30-2003 08:25:16

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Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 07:17:51

Try all you want but a 335 will never have the power as a WC/WD. A WC can get over 450 cid. Your baby Moline will never get that many.

Like I've told you before, get a U.

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Jeff Oliver

01-30-2003 20:10:27

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to MM Fan, 01-30-2003 08:25:16

I amstill a little foggy on what difference it makes about cubic inches, hp too for that matter unless your talking about an open class tractor. I have a show stock Oliver 77 that has beat several JD's some Farmalls and an Oliver 88. By that asme token I have also been beat by some with less cubes and HP. If there is a speed limit all that power doesn't mean diddly. If you can sspin the wheels and not bog out you have done all you need on power and I would work on weight and balance after that.

we used to own a MM 445 and was always impressed with how stout it was. Never did pull it as we sold it before the season but I would sure like to see one on the track! As for what it will beat, heck if you win all the time it takes the fun out of it ! :)

By the way, I dont mind putting my real name on here...LOL!!!

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335 has the same hp. as a 445

01-31-2003 19:39:58

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Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-30-2003 20:10:27

Around 46 hp. I believe. We pull our 445 in classes from 4000# up to 7500#. With the high-low there's always a gear to match the class. We have done no internal engine work. Balance & traction at 3mph. is the key.

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PowerlineMM

01-30-2003 08:33:41

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Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to MM Fan, 01-30-2003 08:25:16

Got one silly. It's great at only 403 cubes. Still, how light can a 335 get? Eh? Probably not kick a 450 cube WC, but still. I heard they are crankin 500 cu in out of those doo-doo bug orange machines now. Tough little monsters, them ACs. Good thing for D-17 motors too huh? Anyway, how light Mr. MM fan?

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MM Fan

01-30-2003 08:39:15

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Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to PowerlineMM, 01-30-2003 08:33:41

Why??? Your daddy isn't going to buy a 335. So why all the concern about how lite you can get one? Why don't you work on the U? I know of two U's under 4000 lbs and one U under 3700.

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Father/Son teamwork

01-30-2003 09:01:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to MM Fan, 01-30-2003 08:39:15

Ahhh smarty pants. I'd rather pull a U in 5500 up where they do some good instead of grinding and fiberglassing and cutting down thousands of pounds off a heavy machine. If a U can be 3700, a 335 can be 2500. Have a little imagination! Some of those things are awsome machines but nah. I just bought a U302 and UBD. The little R will be done soon for the light classes. For your info, I have 6 MMs now. Had one more but sold it. Dad has 5 MMs and I store most of his parts at my place. Hopefully selling another to buy Dad the tractor he always wanted. So there. Who's your daddy, Mr. No Name?

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Thanks! (Gigs up, he got me.)

02-01-2003 21:02:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MM335 hot rod to kick ACWD butt? in reply to Father/Son teamwork, 01-30-2003 09:01:21

Ethan, Joe Tractor, Santa, Powerline, Mopower, etc. is me. Joe was just an experiment to goof with the goofy dude. Probably had a few going there. Anyway thanks for the answers you gave on the subject. I have a realistic view of what I am looking at here. I posted once before, but it took the "kick AC butt" remark to get some action started. You guys with the hot WCs give everyone a run for their money. Keep it up, just makes us all try harder! Some day you might just see a small block MM ou there. By the way, anyone heard of Marty Feldpauch? This is my all time favorite Allis Chalmers puller. What a WC!

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