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70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88?

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Farmall Daddy

02-05-2003 17:09:36




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Wondering which one will outpull who in the 6500 Lbs. class.




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Farmall Boy

02-06-2003 13:14:12




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 Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:09:36  
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!There is no question on that one the M would be able to go a whole gear ahead of the 88. But if they had the same hp i would still stay with farmall because they got the luggin power.Around here olivers just can't keep those rpm's up there



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Farmall Boy, an Oliver will show you whos your daddy!!!!!!!!

02-06-2003 13:26:38




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 Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Boy, 02-06-2003 13:14:12  
A properly built 88 will show you who your Daddy really is!!!!! Keep farmall at home in nearest fence row!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!! !!



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Hey Farmall Boy!!!

02-06-2003 13:17:07




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 Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Boy, 02-06-2003 13:14:12  
Where the heck are you? You put 70 horse in an 88 and you better kiss that M good bye!!! Can't keep their R's up? How many are they allowed to run? I can take my 77 up through 7500 and still have about 3500 R's.



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Farmall Boy

02-06-2003 13:41:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Hey Farmall Boy!!!, 02-06-2003 13:17:07  
where do yall pull at???If its around us we'll bring some of our friends and show you what a real farmall will do



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Randy

02-05-2003 19:54:09




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 Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:09:36  
I have a M and have pulled against the 88's, no contest, the 88 will far out perform the M pulling
the sled. They just get more traction to the ground for some reason, much better than the M.
On the other hand, my 37 Farmall F30 with way less
HP out pulls the M in the same weight class, al-
lthough they pull in different classes because
of the age of the tractors.



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Jeff

02-05-2003 18:51:41




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 Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:09:36  
Depends on the track and your/his setup. I have beat tractors with more hp than mine and been beat by ones with less. I have learned that untill you get up in some of the bigger classes hp isn't everything.Farm Stock in local pulls is alot about weights and balance.



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77 puller

02-05-2003 17:15:05




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 Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:09:36  
I would probably say the M because of the horse. But if the oliver had 70 horse the oliver would win hands down!



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Farmall Daddy

02-05-2003 17:49:06




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 Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to 77 puller, 02-05-2003 17:15:05  
Would there be any other way to get more horsepower out of my 88? When I dynoed it, I cranked 45 with the air cleaner hose on it, and three plugs that were fouling out. When the guy that dynoed it for me changed the plugs, I removed the air cleaner hose. Got 57 horsepower out of it. Put the hose back on, dropped it 11 horsepower. Found out it was an air cleaner wirer mesh up in the grill. Took that off and left the hose on and got 57 and it held it. Usually, when we pull, we remove the hose, run it as rich as it can, burn high premium fuel, and on occasion, dump a bottle of octane booster in the tank. Figured with brand new plugs with a .045 gap, should get 1-2 horse more. Anything else I can do. I'm a Farmall man, but trying to get used to the Oliver's. Any help is appreciated.

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TimC

02-06-2003 07:58:30




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 Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:49:06  
You should not run it as rich as you can. The best way to figure out the richness might be a hassle but I would pull it then shut it down. Roll it out of the way and read a plug. You don't want Black or White. You do need a little tan color to the plug. Also make sure your temp guage is reading properly and watch to make sure you don't start getting warm indicating a lean mixture. You can also change your valve adjustments, I prefer a tighter clearance on the intake side and you can start backing off the exhaust side until you get to the right point. A dyno is the best way to check it so good luck finding the right point. Timing adjustments also affect the final outcome. Intake change will make a big differance.

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Farmall Daddy

02-06-2003 13:32:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to TimC, 02-06-2003 07:58:30  
Hooked it on the dyno and it wasn't getting enough fuel so now it is running at the richest it can run. Works great! I set the carb by how much smoke it produces, what color it is, and how smooth the engine will run.



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Farmall Daddy

02-05-2003 17:56:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:49:06  
One more question. Been to a few pulls and noticed 88's front ends rise quickly. What would you set the drawbar at with only 1 or 2 90Lb. suits on the front? I like to see the front end about an inch off the ground. Any help on this question is appreciated!!



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steve

02-06-2003 11:14:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:56:38  
Set the drawbar as high as the rules will allow!This will transfer the maximum amount of weight from the sled on to your rear tires. As you know the more downforse you can transfer off the sled and on to your rear tires the further down the track you go! NO I did"ent forget about your light front. Once you get your drawbar set provided you dont run out of steam first you will be more in that three to five hundred neighborhood on front but thats ok remember what ever you have to add to the front to hold it down your taking off the sled pan tell me what you think!!

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Farmall Daddy

02-06-2003 13:35:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to steve, 02-06-2003 11:14:51  
What bothers me is when the front end goes in the air, I will be lowering my drawbar in the process, in which will drop pressure on the back tires. Just my 2 cents.



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Steve

02-07-2003 19:06:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-06-2003 13:35:31  
Somewhere your gonna have to find weight in the rear of the tractor that you can move to the front to hold it down. You will regain this on the rear by more lift on the sled thats why your raising the hitch hight to begin with. Dont know what you have to work with or what you want to spend? I am running aluminum wheels on a S. 88 D.with the bar set at 21 inches and 3 to 5 hundred on front depending on track.
Steve

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Jeff Oliver

02-05-2003 18:48:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:56:38  
I usually run about 90 lbs on the front of mine hanging from a bar thrugh the front holes in the frame and more times than not the front end will ride only about an inch or so. Right now I am still pulling with the fatory hitch set as far forward and the drawbar will go and the hitch set right under 18 inchs. I have heard that the closer you put the hook point to the senter of the axle the less it will raise the front of the tractor but since I haven't been at this pulling thing long I don't really know about that. I have a picture of mine pulling if you want to look at it. It ain't pretty but it does pretty good.

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Farmall Daddy

02-06-2003 13:39:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Jeff Oliver, 02-05-2003 18:48:57  
That's true, but there was a guy at a pull that had a 560 wide front and he put his drawbar under his axel and it broke!! Came close to killing the guy, it bent the steering wheel down on the seat. We have to be 18 inch away from the axel or the clevis has to be behind the tires, or lined up with them.



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deadeye

02-05-2003 18:29:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-05-2003 17:56:38  
Take your octaine booster and high octane gas and leave it out of the tamk. You will get more power out of regular gas with a low comp.engine. -- deadeye



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Oliver Puller

02-05-2003 18:59:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to deadeye, 02-05-2003 18:29:02  
You need to do some work on that 88 and it will pull very well. Find a 1600 or 1650 LP intake and exhaust manifolds, replace carb with one off 7700 JD combine. Also install 1650 camshaft. If your club does not monitor RPM, raise to 2500 at least. This is only the beganing. Their are many more things you can do. I have no problems in 5500 with M Farmalls. In 6500 I turn loose a G Moline, which usally goes out the gate!

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Jeff

02-06-2003 03:04:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Oliver Puller, 02-05-2003 18:59:31  
Since you mentioned turning the RPM up , How do you go about doing that on a stock 77 without raising the idle speed also? I know this will probably sound like a dumb question o most but I was setting one last night and can't figure out how to set the linkage and stuff to do that.



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Twister

02-07-2003 22:29:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Jeff, 02-06-2003 03:04:46  
All you have to do is loosen the throttle assembly on your steering collum, and twist it clockwise after your rpms have been checked but before you pull. That is what 98% of oliver pullers do!



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Farmall Daddy

02-06-2003 13:42:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Jeff, 02-06-2003 03:04:46  
I adjusted a rod behind the carb, but broke it off. Had enough threads left to put the nut back on. I can leave it idle now without it killing itself.



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Oliver Puller

02-06-2003 06:59:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 hosepower Farmall M VS. 57 horsepower Oliver 88? in reply to Jeff, 02-06-2003 03:04:46  
There is a spring in the middle of the linkeage, you will need to move the clip inside that spring so that it has more tension on the rod. I cut the weights on my governor, because I wanted alot of RPM. Or use the Governor off of a 1650.



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