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Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500?????????????

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FARMALL FANATIC

03-21-2003 17:54:34

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I have 2 questions..Which would win between a 4100lb John Deere A and a 4450lb Farmall M both pulling in 4500lb class. We have a buddy that has the A and says unless we pull in second he was gonna wear us out...I was thinking and thought he might becase of the weight distrubution on his tractor. What do yall think we have both our gas tank and battery up front an would be able to hang 50lbs up there.....And the second question would i be able to pull in second gear??we have a stock Super M bore and stroke , electronic ignition,MSD box, a shaved, polished and ported, big valve head, lp manifold, and element air filter. Any other ways for chea horse power? ALL COMMENTS APPRECIATED...FF

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joecool

03-23-2003 07:51:28

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Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to FARMALL FANATIC, 03-21-2003 17:54:34

Why don't you add weight to see what a real tractor will do? Any idiot can take weight off an pull in light class. I like to embarrass big tractors with little tractor weighted down to heavy class. I recently beat jd 70 diesel at 7500# class with my case dc. I still spun out! my dad's cc will beat any A or Super M in 4500.

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Stroker G

03-29-2003 18:15:34

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to joecool, 03-23-2003 07:51:28

Yes your Case DC will beat an Farmall M and a JD A but, will it beat a JD G. I don't think so

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03-31-2003 12:57:18

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Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to Stroker G, 03-29-2003 18:15:34

I have beat the snot outta many john deere G's ace

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PeteNY

03-23-2003 20:51:42

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to joecool, 03-23-2003 07:51:28

Joe, Some tractors pull better weighted down, and some pull better light...your DC for example is a pullin' SOB if it beat a 70 (I have never pulled against a DC with my 70 gas, but it usually beats dsls), but my Super C regularly beats DCs at 5000#. The long stroke on your DC works great with more weight...not that way for all tractors.
...but I agree with you if someone goes below the manufacterers weight, neither A's nor Super M's belong below #5000 or #5500 in Stock Divisions. Pete

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joecool

03-24-2003 17:24:48

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Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to PeteNY, 03-23-2003 20:51:42

Thanks for some support. We have had our allis chalmers CA weighted down to 5000# and beat bigger tractors. We were amazed at the dc pulling that heavy weight also. I haven't been into engine but bought from cousin who bought from original owner who farmed with it, it may be over bored out, I don't know, don't want to mess with it. I agree that m and a's shouldn't drop below manufactured weights. but I get to help set rules in our organization, tractors must remain "stock appearing".

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an A will make the 5000 stock

03-24-2003 13:46:49

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Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to PeteNY, 03-23-2003 20:51:42

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PeteNY

03-24-2003 15:41:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to an A will make the 5000 stock, 03-24-2003 13:46:49

Yes I know, it will just make it, a '48 A beat my Super C by about 1.5 feet in the #5000 class at the NYS Championships thst past fall, but my comment was that A's (late ones anyway) should not be under #5000, and Super M's should not be under #5500 in stock classes. Pete

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a puller

03-24-2003 18:14:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to PeteNY, 03-24-2003 15:41:45

I was just makin sure u knew that...no harm intended.:)

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PeteNY

03-24-2003 19:02:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to a puller, 03-24-2003 18:14:48

None taken! I will always remember that fact! Thought I had it won, caught a little extra traction just before she started to spin, got into a new area on the track and got about 40 more feet, had beat a Cockshutt 30, a DC, an Olie 77, a few H Farmalls, a Super H, and even the WD 45 that beats me more often than not, was fellin' pretty impressed with my self! Only 2 tractors to pull and holding an 18' lead, the Oliver Super 66 went and beat me by 3", then the A got me too! Oh well, I was happy, never would have hooked her in #5000, but after driving all that way to find that #3000, #5000, and #7000 were the only Div. I classes being offered,(an unadvertised fact that was I am sure deliberately left out of the hand bills because although no one wants us Div. I guys around, they sure do like our hook fees!)I borrowed some weights and played with the big boys! Now she always hooks at #5000! I was proud of the Super C! Thank goodness I didn't haul the JD 70 all the way up there! Pete

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AC Puller

03-24-2003 20:46:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to PeteNY, 03-24-2003 19:02:59

Pete in NY need to know how a stock super C can handle a 5000 lb class. Where we come from a super C with 25 hp powers out in 3500 div 1 most of the time. Do you have long chains on sleds or loose tracks. When somebody trys to pull in 4500 div 1 they never get very far at all. Not being a smart a$$ just can not figure out what were doing wrong please reply.

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PeteNY

03-25-2003 17:29:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to AC Puller, 03-24-2003 20:46:43

AC, Actually, like I have said, other than the Super 66's, here in our area, the Super C's seem to be able to span the gap from #3000-#5000 in the most competitive manner(WD 45's jump at about #4000 and get stonger as you get higher, but don't seem to do alot below #4000). I don't know what the chain lengths are, the club we pull with is NATPA sanctioned, and we use several different sleds. Yes some of the tracks are a little loose, but I don't see where chain length or track conditions would make much difference as all the models are pulling the same conditions. Speaking of our Super C, it is in fact stock, recently gone through to original spec. I am not claiming to win in every class, every time out, but it is very competitive. Obviously when you get up into #5000 lbs, the JD A's usually rule the roost, and a guy with a Cockshutt 30 does well, but heck, a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th against that kinda competition makes me happy. So far, I have never had a horsepower issue, out of 12 pulls last year (1st year we pulled her), I only powered out 1 time, in fact it is rare that I get above 3/4 throttle without spinning. Not claiming it's a "Super Tractor", just competitive through many classes. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have alot of 1sts, there is a guy with another Super C (without Quick Hitch, so he probably gets better weight distrobution) that usually beats me at #3500, but that's the only class he pulls. The guy with the Olie Super 66 gets me about 1/2 the time at #4000 and #4500, and a guy with a real nice WD 45 is real dangerous at those two classes also. If the guy that beat me at States with his A shows up, I never win #5000. Don't know if I answered your question, but if you get HOOK mag, you'll see me listed 3rd at #5000 in Div. I with the Super C(my name is mispelled Pitzer insread of Pitcher, but it's me!) Pete

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AC puller

03-25-2003 20:39:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to PeteNY, 03-25-2003 17:29:16

Thanks for the info.Our friends kids pull our Super C in two national pulls Ogallah and Sterling. They are 12 years old and have a blast at these national pulls. They placed 2nd in Ogallah and 4th at Sterling. They only enter this tractor in 3500 div 1 because in 4500 div 1 the jd a and oliver 77 will blow them out by 80 to 100 feet. Our elevation out this way at 3700 ft. might be one reason for lack of power. The Super C powered out at both of the above pulls. We live in the central panhandle of western Ne. and also follow all NAPTA rules for our summer time pulls.Well got to go thanks again and good luck this summer.

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CASEPOWER

03-23-2003 12:32:14

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to joecool, 03-23-2003 07:51:28

Taking weight off in stock class may not be smart, but pulling super at 12 mph if you plan to compete you have to or you will get no ground speed and not enough power in higher gears. I guess I'm just a Idiot.

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Farmall Boy

03-23-2003 08:56:08

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to joecool, 03-23-2003 07:51:28

Actually it is harder to take weight off a tractor than jus go sling on some weight, we have two M's and want to win 4 classes....We do weigh the other one down as a matter of fact we went to NC and pulled in the 9,100 and spun!!

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Farmalls

03-23-2003 08:52:04

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to joecool, 03-23-2003 07:51:28

I very highly doubt it will beat any M or even most Ms i know of 4 around here i guarntee would whoop yah by 30ft++

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2 cylinder

03-22-2003 11:02:17

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Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to FARMALL FANATIC, 03-21-2003 17:54:34

The JD-A should have the edge over the Super-M because it has more weight to move around for balance. If the JD-A is fairly stock, the Super-M will have the edge in HP. But in 4500 lb. class I would give the JD-A the edge because it is a better fit for this weight class. Just my 2 cents, as I pull a JD-A in 4500-6000 lb. classes.

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supermpuller4

03-22-2003 15:14:49

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Re: Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to 2 cylinder, 03-22-2003 11:02:17

On a power track, the m will win. On a crap track, anything can win

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AC Puller

03-21-2003 19:12:17

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Re: Farmall M vs. John Deere A in 4500????????????? in reply to FARMALL FANATIC, 03-21-2003 17:54:34

There is no way to say who would win. Every pull would be differt because of track conditions. If the M has enough power to power to pull 2nd gear it should have edge on soft tracks. On hard tracks the A should do better. A good wd45ac will beat either of these in 4500 lb class because of its balance.

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