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E.T. Puller

04-28-2003 19:25:20




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I was at an antique tractor pull this past weekend and witnessed a puller ruin both front aluminum rims and one tire. The scraper tractor ran out of fuel (this left a small pile of dirt on the track from the sled) and it was the last class of the night with only 4 tractors in the class and this puller was the last one of the night. He hit the small pile of dirt going at a high rate of speed (10-12 mph), bouncing it a couple of times, and ruining his rims. He thinks the club is responsible for this. I think not-what do you think?

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G-MAN

05-02-2003 17:59:34




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
IHMO, it is always ultimately the puller's decision whether conditions are safe or not, just as Goldsburg said. I personally wouldn't feel to safe driving a tractor with wheels that weak. Competition is competition, but when guys are putting a $3 trophy ahead of their own safety, that's a little ridiculous. I don't know how the officials could have foreseen that a tractor would be wiped out by a pile of dirt. I presume he was looking ahead before he started the pull, and had he been concerned, he obviously should have said something. I'd say he won't let the same thing happen again.

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Goldsburg

05-02-2003 09:09:28




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
ET -

You are kidding, right?

There are no warranties, guarantees, or anything of the kind when it comes to pulling. Whether he was on the track, in the pits, or unloading from the trailer, the owner is always responsible for fixing breakage on HIS (or HER) machine. The caviot is that the puller can always refuse to attend pull if they feel that is unsafe. The club did not "force" him to pull that tractor at that pull.

I would hope that if the puller had decided not to pull because of the inconsistency that the Club was introducing into the class (by letting the grader tractor run out of gas!?!?!), that refunding that puller's entry fee would have been an option...? If not, then that club will surely die a slow death from attrition of members.

But, beyond all of that: By the description that you have given, the wheels on the front of that tractor were either improperly installed (by the owner, right?) or they had been modified for reduced weight (by the owner, right?). I have seen in SEVERAL antique tractors equipped with aluminum front wheels, drop them at the end of a pull with NO ill effects. There is just something fishy about this "story".

BTW - The speed of the tractor has nothing to do with the loading on those rims. The force on a rim being dropped from a height of 24 inches would be approximately 4 times that of the typical weight on the front wheels (4 G's of deceleration). The impulse force of a wheel hitting a pile of dirt, even at 12 MPH, would be a mere fraction of the typical front wheel load. Would you expect your car rims to fold when you hit a pothole? Then why should a tractor rim fold when it hits a "pile of dirt"?

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Goldsburg
goldsburg@att.net

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Pulling Prodigy

04-30-2003 14:22:32




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
Was this the ETATPA????? ? cause we were there but left before the end and didn't see anything



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E.T. PULLER

05-01-2003 11:10:43




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Pulling Prodigy, 04-30-2003 14:22:32  
YES,GREY STATION TN



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ol George

04-30-2003 20:58:34




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Pulling Prodigy, 04-30-2003 14:22:32  
Last class last tractor win at all costs sometimes costs



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Pulling Prodigy

05-01-2003 13:21:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to ol George, 04-30-2003 20:58:34  
I only know two tractors who can go that fast and one of em got mad and left early..musta been massey



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James

04-29-2003 14:38:23




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
Seems to me it would have been less likely to happen if his weight would have been right. If he hit a small pile of dirt with the front end just tipping that would not have happened. Since when did his tractor's reliability become the club's issue?



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Ed

04-29-2003 09:33:45




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
If he had a John Deere that would have never happened because:
1)a John Deere pulling tractor will not go that fast.
2)a John Deere would have stopped before it got that far.



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Hmmmm......

04-29-2003 10:19:56




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Ed, 04-29-2003 09:33:45  
Thats just real mature. Obviously you have nothing better to do than to make comments to the caliper of a 5 year old. Does the color of paint really make it go farther? Come on, really....Grow Up!!!!



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Hmmmmmm 2

04-29-2003 20:46:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Hmmmm......, 04-29-2003 10:19:56  
Caliper???? of a five year old or spelling of a 5 year old?



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putz

04-29-2003 17:59:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Hmmmm......, 04-29-2003 10:19:56  
yesth...grow up or I'll hit you!!! you brute!!



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antique puller

04-29-2003 08:19:52




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
The driver needs to be paying attention to the flagman, where he/she is going, (boundary lines),speed limit if there is one, and anything else that could affect the run. Sounds like he should have seen the dirt pile if they had to tow the blade tractor off.



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G Taylor

04-29-2003 08:17:52




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
If those rims were so tin thin and light that tractor wasn't safe on the track. Better pull it for a safety inspection. What is an antique going so d*ammed fast anyways? That some sort of a modified class 4 or 5 velocity



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Jrred

04-29-2003 04:33:19




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
As soon as he started down the track it was his problem if he wasn't happy with the track he could have waited for them to fix the problem! Were was this pull at?



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E.T. PULLER

04-29-2003 06:11:40




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Jrred, 04-29-2003 04:33:19  
EAST TN



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E.T. PULLER

04-29-2003 06:11:31




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Jrred, 04-29-2003 04:33:19  
EAST TN



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Flyin Farmall

04-28-2003 20:25:53




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
It became his responsibility when he hooked onto the sled!simple as that



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pale rider

04-28-2003 19:31:03




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 Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to E.T. Puller, 04-28-2003 19:25:20  
I think the guy should have watched were he was going.



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Dan

04-28-2003 19:42:16




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 Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to pale rider, 04-28-2003 19:31:03  
I agree,What now a club has to look out for some light weight rims someone uses to try and get as light as they can.Maybe he should invest in some steel rims and stay off the Whoppers.



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Mike F

04-30-2003 04:09:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Dan, 04-28-2003 19:42:16  
I have some thoughts on this issue, fortunately, I pull with clubs that would not let that happen, plus , when I'm hooked up and the chain is tight, I look for the route I've been watching all nite, I spot this before the tractor leaves the gate, if I saw that pile of dirt, I would have refused to pull until it was removed. I don't think that the club will buy him rims and tires, but they will probably make sure that they pay more attention to their track, to eliminate the chances of this in the future.

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ScottGlick

04-28-2003 21:03:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to Dan, 04-28-2003 19:42:16  
Club not responsible period..... ...



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karl f

04-28-2003 23:37:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to ScottGlick, 04-28-2003 21:03:23  
i hope they had some type of disclaimer in writing that entrants had to sign before participating.
otherwise this could get ugly in court...
-karl



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ol George

04-29-2003 05:04:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Club responsible or not? in reply to karl f, 04-28-2003 23:37:59  
They have a disclaimer that has to be signed before competing. The driver is completely responsible for where the tractor is going down the track. We shall see.



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