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Forced Air Induction.

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Super G

05-05-2003 17:35:39




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Pullers,

Has anybody ever tried the use of force air induction on their tractor? I am in the process of having our local machinest build, a "blower" for me to mount to my carb. I know that I am going to have have to "work over" the fuel intake to compensate for the new air... any other remarks that I may take into account?

R. Teach Wisconsin Puller




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mfarmallpuller

05-06-2003 20:53:34




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
I actually ran a turbo on my M pushing well over 25 pound of boost wich was TOO much , I put a pop off valve on it to maintain the boost below 7 pounds and it worked great, but the rules committee would never go for it , so I had to take it back off. Spent lots of time making it look good and perform just as well. Gained lots of power but it wasn't allowed by the rules.if you would like to know how to make it work I can tell you exactly how but unless you can find somewhere that will let you run the turbo set up the info is worthless.

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bob

05-06-2003 08:54:21




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
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Parker Fly

05-06-2003 16:35:39




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to bob, 05-06-2003 08:54:21  
5-6% power gain...just 5-6 hp on a 100 horse motor.



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Steve from MO - interesting concept!

05-06-2003 07:42:10




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
I don't know how much intake work you would benefit from, if the blower actually works for you. The normal process would be to clean up and open up intake passages to let more air-fuel mix flow naturally. A blower would seem to neagte most of the benefit of that kind of work.

Some head cleanup work to reduce pre-ignition (knocking) might be needed if you get a really strong boost out of this. High-octane fuel, too.

You might need bigger carb jets to put more fuel into the mixture, and possibly an electric fuel pump to overcome the higher pressure in the venturi flow.

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G Taylor

05-06-2003 16:13:45




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Steve from MO - interesting concept!, 05-06-2003 07:42:10  
If there was enough fan to achieve positive carb inlet pressure than the carb vent/float bowl would be ok on a Deere. The fuel tank would have to be pressurized at the same pressure to prevent fuel starvation. 1psi of boost at the carb inlet would likely make 5-10% more power.



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JT

05-06-2003 00:58:02




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
Saw a guy at the Show in Menno SD a couple of years ago.

Was running a JD A or G (don't remember) used a Auto carb and a small Turbo. Looked like he made all his own plumbing. Did a real neat job. Didn't see him pull but it looked real neat.

JT



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can't give my name

05-05-2003 20:38:29




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
i have a set up in the air cleaner that gives it a good boost you can not see it from the out side have a switch to turn it on and off been useing it for three years. just bending the rules like all the rest.



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Super G

05-06-2003 19:58:15




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to can't give my name, 05-05-2003 20:38:29  
What kind of tractor do you pull? If its a G, what did you do to the carb?



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Cyclone Kid

05-06-2003 13:14:19




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to can't give my name, 05-05-2003 20:38:29  
Does the expression "teats on a boar hog" mean anything to ya?



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Please read this. Thanks, Goldsburg

05-06-2003 10:25:57




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to can't give my name, 05-05-2003 20:38:29  
Super G (Brandon) -

If this really worked, don't you think that every automaker in the world would have this in production?

I would be more than happy to eat my words, IF you could post ACTUAL documented dyno results from say, a respected implement dealer (who would be willing to put their name on the document to certify the results). Heck, if you could find a dealer to do this, I would even pay for the cost of testing (I have got a great marketing idea for this system!).

Please elaborate (anonymously!) on the specific parameters that are altered and in turn cause the engine to make more power when you "flip the switch"...

Please contact me to setup the dyno day, time, and place. I will be there with bells on. BTW, if you fail to show any power increase, you owe me for the wasted time and travel expenses. I should also require payment for pain and suffering for having to hear of this ridiculous concept more than once!

Waiting anxiously,

Goldsburg
goldsburg@att.net

P.S> I will let the rest of you know of the time and place of testing when it is setup. In case you would like to witness as well...

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G-MAN

05-06-2003 10:41:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Please read this. Thanks, Goldsburg, 05-06-2003 10:25:57  
Isn't it interesting how time after time when this subject comes up, we continue to hear about this magical fan in the air cleaner? Like you said, if that was a viable or practical option, every car manufacturer around would be doing it. Gone would be the Roots-type, centrifugal and other types of superchargers! Gone would be the turbochargers and intercoolers! Where are these believers when I get another parcel of that beachfront propery in Nevada to sell? If it turns out that he's ready to prove it on the dyno, I'll throw in my hat for an alternate location if he proves to be closer to me than you. If he's right - no charge and a full posting of all results on this site. If he's wrong, he pays the standard $25 dyno charge and eats crow...

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another wisc puller

05-05-2003 19:51:42




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 Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 17:35:39  
Just curious on where you are going to pull this G and what kind of rules they have? I know of some guys that want to hit these pulls. Most places I know of would not allow that in a naturally aspirated class, so you will be stuck pulling with turbocharged hot farm tractors. Unless you can make them believe it came from the factory that way. If you gonna do something to force air into it, might as well put a turbo on it, fuel injection, and run it on alcohol. Curious on how your gonna drive the blower?

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Super G

05-05-2003 20:06:03




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 Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to another wisc puller, 05-05-2003 19:51:42  
12 volt electric motor!... Its an exhaust fan motor, sup'ed up. Wicked out-put.



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G-MAN

05-06-2003 10:43:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-05-2003 20:06:03  
And what electrical system modifications will you be making to power this system? You do realize that there's no such thing as a free lunch, and that the power it adds to the engine will be taken back out through the additional load on the charging system, correct? Please post some before and after dyno numbers when the system is complete, installed and tested.



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JDGnut

05-07-2003 06:59:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to G-MAN, 05-06-2003 10:43:58  
What happened to the thread... looks like there are some lost posting.. one of which had the link to the parts for sale on ebay...

Electrical system would be easy... its not like you would run it all the time.. just while pulling.. so it would have a low duty cycle... just have to have a decent alternator and some good cables.... Intresting concept.. a little quiter after the pics of the parts for sale on ebay... JDGnut

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Super G

05-06-2003 19:47:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to G-MAN, 05-06-2003 10:43:58  
G-Man,

I would personally like you to know that it is a shot in the dark. I am always looking for ways to make my tractor improve, WITH OUT stroking it. It is not stroked, nor will it ever be. I remember reading a post along time ago that stated that the two cylinders are deprived of air. This is due to the stricken'd intake. Its just a shot in the dark.

I would like to draw your attention to a certrain tool called a velocity stack. Do you get the magazine called THE PULLER? If so, look at page one. Right inside the front cover. Notice the cruisin mule, the object that partrudes out the side of his IH is called a velocity stack. I have a friend that works at a major company in a city close to my town. The company is a refrigeration supplier. He is a machinest that works on the air induction into their units. He has spent countless hours, and company money on the research of the veloctiy stack. This fullels the air into the cooling chamber as he would call it. Just as it is funneled into the turbo inlet. Where does this apply to me? All I am trying to do is make it easier for the tractor to get the much needed air to perform at its peak, which is at our around an estimated 80... 85 horse. I know there is going to be some major fuel issues involved, thats why the carb is being workd over... tinkered with. By a person tractor master.

Dealing with the issue of rules. I have pulled against and beat in certain situations Oliver 88's. Yeah its sounds pretty same-o same-o. But, these Olivers had 1850 block inside of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. Oliver pullers, o my god, what a lucky group of people you are. I wish my 6030 could bolt into my G.. lol. Also, I would like to say that the tractors that I pulled against were some of the sharpest looking (different shade of green) and coolest sounding tractors that I have ever had a chance to watch (exception to the alchol burners at Tomah... wow). All I am saying is, im just trying to compete with you. With my 2 cylinders.

In conclusion. Im not angry, upset, any that dosent apply. Im just trying another idea. If it works, ill help any others that want some ideas dealing wtih it. Until then... its time to kill until the first pull of the year when I can take my tractor back to stalk and go another year.

Super G

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Cyclone Kid

05-07-2003 07:56:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forced Air Induction. in reply to Super G, 05-06-2003 19:47:17  
What's wrong with strokin and pokin it a little?



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