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discouraged pul

06-09-2003 16:18:11

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I was recently at a tractor pull where the other pullers said I had "cut" tires and voted to eliminate me. All that has been done to my tires is to spin them on cement, should this be considered "cut" tires. I pull in the farm stock class where they do not allow "cut" tires, but this is the first time in four years of pulling this tractor that anyone brought it up. I need some evidence to prove what "cut" tires really are.Or am I wrong!! Thank You

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kspuller

06-12-2003 07:08:38

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Did the rules say no cut or no altered tires. If you spun your tires on purpose then you have "altered tires"

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Slo

06-11-2003 19:20:19

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Road worn isn't cut. Different angles, not as uniform. A club I used to pull with pulled half blacktop or concrete pulls and half dirt. Turned the tires backward on the blacktop and concrete for pulling, gave a better edge for dirt.

Cut requires a grinding disc, knife, sawzall, etc.

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Matt

06-12-2003 07:24:31

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Slo, 06-11-2003 19:20:19

I agree with Slo.

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Scott Williams

06-11-2003 06:05:45

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL ALL FIGURE IT OUT. The only way to end the controversy is to ALLOW cut tires. Only allow them to be cut on the top of the cleat and not the front.

END OF STORY..... ..... NO MORE B****ING!!!

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Bill

06-20-2003 20:49:39

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Scott Williams, 06-11-2003 06:05:45

Scott you are a moron!!

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john

06-10-2003 23:46:56

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Sounds like a judgement call to me. Must have been from "out of town"!

Been to several pulls and always pull the stock class because my tractors are stock. I actually use them also. Then "they" let tractors with mega $$$$$ in the motors into the "stock" class to pull against me. Sometimes I beat em, but not often. Then again, i was using a STOCK tractor.

Never ran into a complaint about road worn tires as that is what I use. I try to find tires that have hauled hay up and down the highway and use them. Sounds like those folks might call them cut tires if I did well at their pull.

From what I have seen unless it is a "national" event the rules are just guidelines and only followed when you are beating the locals.

OH and what about weights? Stock classes with only stock wieghts. Been told I couldn't use hang on wieghts only factory weights. Locals had Ford suitcases on homemade brackets on unstyled JD's in stock class but i couldnt use JD weights on a JD.

It all depends on where you go and who you are. Just try to find out the rules and how "they" will interpret them before you go!

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Old Puller

06-10-2003 12:07:05

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Sounds like you got exactly what you deserved. Cut, ground, dragged on cement what is the difference? An altered tire is an altered tire. If you want to interpret the rules the way you think they should be go ahead, what matters is the way the judges interpret them. If you want to run cut tires get in a class where they are allowed. You never won anything with those altered tires pulling against ones that were not you just cheated them out of what was there's. Kind of makes you feel real good now don't it. Don't be a chicken and don't cry about it when they kick your butt either. Play fair or don't play at all!

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Matt

06-11-2003 09:54:37

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Old Puller, 06-10-2003 12:07:05

Where do you start and stop calling a tire altered?? If you drive a tractor on the highway for a 100 miles and wear the tires down that way is that considered an altered tire?? They shouldn't be called altered just because somebody ground them on cement. Just seems to me that it is the same as a road worn tire.

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Puller

06-12-2003 13:31:36

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Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Matt, 06-11-2003 09:54:37

I have pulled for over twenty years and I have seen so called "Road Worn" tires beat professionally cut tires several times. Several clubs that I pull with have also recognized this and have changed there rules to say something like: Cut, Altered or excessively Road Worn tires will not be allowed to pull in "Non Cut Tire Classes" e.g.. "Farm Classes". All tires will be classified by the ruling committee. Judges decision is final! There was a few criers at first, but since the numbers of pullers in the NON cut tire classes have drastically escalated. All most people want is a fair chance at winning and it defiantly shows here. A field worn tire has no sharp edge. A new tire has a square edge but is soft. Theses type of tire are allowed to pull in the "Non Cut Tire Classes". A tire that is cupped or unevenly worn in the center from road wear that doesn't have a sharp edge more than half the length of the bar is allowed in the non cut tire class. Again judge makes the call. The few guys that don't like it can go pull somewhere where else. The folks that do just keep increasing the numbers. There is cut tire classes offered for those tires that are not allowed. I have seen allot of places where this altered tire thing is not a concern and more times than not all you have is a bunch of whining from both sides. I prefer to go to the places where I do not have to listen to it.

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Gary

06-10-2003 18:26:38

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Old Puller, 06-10-2003 12:07:05

I agree absolutely. I do not understand why guys go to a class that's whole existance is for "stock" tractors and then fudge to beat the honest guys. If a guy really wants to be hot
$#!t, then he ought to buy a 1066 or something like that and "get with it". If he can't afford to do that, he should play by the rules. Those stock classes are for us guys that cannot afford to shoot craps with the "big dogs".

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farmallflogger

06-11-2003 05:13:34

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Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Gary, 06-10-2003 18:26:38

Just curious but what do you guys do when your cleats round off on the front? Trash the tires and buy a new set? Maybe your rule should say must run "new" tires.

BTW I doubt if you'll find many stock tractors pulling in any class.

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Reuben

06-10-2003 08:45:29

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

I disagree with the above coments. Check your rules and see what is writen. Most will say road worn tires will be a judgment call by the officials. If you want to play, you have to play by the rules

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farmallflogger

06-09-2003 20:29:23

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

I got in a little hot water a couple of years ago over a set of tires I "touched up" on concrete. I'll have to admit it made a dramatic improvement on the really bad tracks. The tires were probably 30 years old and I could run the pressure down to 5-6 psi up to 7200 lbs with hardly any wrinkle. The down side was that on a good track 6200 lbs would use up the motor.

The botom line is that if you're winning their gonna look for something. Still I think comparing spun tires to pro cut tires is comparing apples to oranges. In my opinion a tire is "cut" when the leading edge is cut. The rule will vary from one club to the next. Some may not allow excessive road wear either. I finally got rid of mine. Never got disqualified, but a deal on a nicer set of tires came along.

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Tgw

06-09-2003 18:55:15

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Air them way up and run them down the pavement for a bunch of miles. Road worn would be the term.

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marlowe

06-09-2003 18:41:34

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

i bet you won ?? thats the only reason you got the boot.

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dave

06-09-2003 17:14:29

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

most clubs say machine altered , some say you can't touch the leading edge. hopefully yours has something in its rules

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Puller

06-09-2003 16:57:09

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Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to discouraged puller, 06-09-2003 16:18:11

Cut tires usually refers to any tire that has been altered.

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Matt

06-11-2003 13:52:07

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-09-2003 16:57:09

Are road worn tires altered?

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06-09-2003 17:02:46

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Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-09-2003 16:57:09

their not cut, it should be specified if you can or can't "spin" your tires

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IT DOESN'T MATTER

06-11-2003 18:31:59

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Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to FB, 06-09-2003 17:02:46

it doesn't matter, i took some old hard cleat tires and ran them backwards on concrete and used a planer to cut them AND got beat by a man with a good road worn tire

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Krouthead

06-11-2003 01:57:30

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Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to FB, 06-09-2003 17:02:46

Cut tire are cut tires....not worn down.I was beimg checked by Natpa,the tech stated,"youve run these backwards", I replied yea,I'm not going to lie,he replied,"you cant do that",I told him ok, but where does it say that?The rule say specifically CUT meaning, in legal terms,ALTERED WITH A TOOL! I agree with both sides of the situation,stock does mean stock,but this is merely an edge,if you get very technical on this then next evryone will have to be using a specified set of new tires!This aint NASCAR!I cant see alot of difference,from running"enhanced"tires or turning your magic carb screw and gaining 10-15 hp.If its a problem,put it in the rules.But dont be surprised,if somebody gets booted(from out of town)because of a circumstance such as discussed,if the accused doesnt turn and protest,some of the local suspects.Put up some frogskins to see in that STOCK farmall,jd,mm,mh ect.A couple hundred up,will stop alot of crying!!!The rule we use is the person who protests will be checked 1st!!!!!Lots o Luck Have fun and be happy!

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Puller

06-11-2003 05:07:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Krouthead, 06-11-2003 01:57:30

Your still artifically changing the lug by spinning the tires backwards on concrete your using the concrete as an abrasive instead of a grinding disc. Come on guys (and gals if any of you or looking) stop whining about the "local boys" throwing you out. If you have altered tires in a class that doesn't allow them, your cheating. End of case, have a nice day!

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Matt

06-11-2003 20:32:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 05:07:50

Isn't pullers running tractors with way to much horsepower in stock classes cheating??

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dave

06-11-2003 15:37:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 05:07:50

If you think that a tire that was spun backward on concrete is cheating, then it seems to me that you are also cheating by using a "artifically" altered tire that was run up and down the road. Did you keep tract of how many miles it took to get them "road worn"?? Maybe you had too much weight on the tractor and they worn down too soon? Is that cheating? I think that it could be!! Is the fact that "they sure worn nice on the road" any different then the fact that "they sure worn nice on my concrete"?????

A cut tire is a tire that has had tread cut off with a saw, grinder or a machine cut.

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ol George

06-11-2003 05:20:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 05:07:50

Man do you need a reality check. I drove my tractor hauling hay so I guess the asphalt altered my tires therefore with your assinine comment they are illegal in a stock class. I have had cut tires and road worn and if anyone can't tell the difference he/she doesn't need to be a judge. End of story!

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Puller

06-11-2003 06:08:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to ol George, 06-11-2003 05:20:25

I have a set of road worn tires that bite good but they don't look anything like a set of tires that have been spun backwards on concrete. On concrete you get alot sharper edge on the tire than road worn. The road sharpened tires are a natural condition, spinning the tires backwards are NOT a natural condition. You are PHYSICALLY changing the tires. So if you are going to alter tires, don't cry if you get thrown out!

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06-13-2003 19:09:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 06:08:59

So if you run your tires on your combine backwards, do a lot of roading(IE, custom work), and then put them on your tractor that's illegal? Sorry, but I don't think so! Oh, and the reason to put them on the combine backwards is so that when you get stuck you can back out. You'll stop moving forward way sooner if you have them on backwards, and they grip a lot better backing up.

Mike

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06-11-2003 20:34:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 06:08:59

Whats not natural about that?

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Krouthead

06-11-2003 05:29:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to ol George, 06-11-2003 05:20:25

I hope your comment is not directed at me ,OL George.If tires are driven on the road daily for many years, sometimes they become even better than MACHINE cuts under certain conditions!!!Example:I bought a tractor that was used in a turkey barn,then hooked to a spreader,road driven everywhere.The tires contained 200lbs of fluid in each,the STOCK tractor with the above mentioned tires beat machined cut tires on a stroked tractor.Alot of pullers look for seriously road worn tires.Im trying to look open minded at the circumstance.

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Ol George

06-12-2003 16:36:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Krouthead, 06-11-2003 05:29:41

Not directed at any certain person, just a general observation. I personally think if you did not use a knife or a machine to cut or a grinder to smooth then it is not a cut tire. But who am I since I have only been tractor pulling for 18 years and going to pulls for 30. That is why I leave those decisions to all the smart people. I know I am not all that smart because I continue to milk cows for a living. Now someone else can be upset!

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Krouthead

06-15-2003 09:35:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Ol George, 06-12-2003 16:36:38

Well I am glad we agree on that.I am also glad to know that you have been pulling for 18 years.I pull with people that have been pulling 25-30 years and I beat them.So the 18 years doesn't really matter, you could have been wrong all that time.Maybe? And as for mliking cows meaning your dumb,i disagree,I personally liked milking cows,when I was younger,especially the "stump broke" ones!!
But it was hard to explain the green underwear to your mom!!!
Just jokin ya. Happy Fathers Day! Lots O Luck

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Krouthead

06-11-2003 05:20:07

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cut tires or not! in reply to Puller, 06-11-2003 05:07:50

What about other modifications that are not physically aparent.I do not totally disagree
with you,but what about road tires?Where do you draw the line?Like i previously stated, do you want everybody to have the same tires ,maybe they have to be new? Grinding, sawing or cutting ok, but spinning on concrete?????Its a a grey area, that allows an edge!!

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