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Just for the record!!

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JD Puller

07-15-2003 08:44:14




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I saw on a earlier post where someone said it had been since the 70's since JD had won a GN SS title. True you are! However, look at this year's points standings. Look at last year's UNL SS champion. Look at the prostock results for the last 10 years. I know that two JD's in the top 2 spots in GN SS Diesel is eating the IH boys alive.

Bottom line, before you open your mouth, get your facts straight!

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REDMAN

07-15-2003 21:55:19




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 Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-15-2003 08:44:14  
if you want to talk trash come on over to the bb and see if you can hang,you must be mistaken where you read it at to,i think i posted it there,come on over and see what you can do with me,this is for disscusion not saying anything about well look at the points.a word of advise,if you come over you might want to read before you start anything,i might not be as dumb as you think i am.REDMAN



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JD Puller

07-16-2003 05:29:46




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 Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to REDMAN, 07-15-2003 21:55:19  
So that we will all be on the same page about what was said, here it is, EXACTLY COPIED FROM YOUR POST.

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REDMAN Posted 07-12-2003 at 08:25:06 [Reply] [No Email] 206.10.109.56-23601 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --
I've read all of the words of wisdom that i can take,it all started with a couple of questions and everybody got their undies in a bunch.I can't remember all of them but i remember one that said JD is the best ever,that is a opinion,I think when it comes to all around durability IH has them beat.the last JD to hold a grand national title in the SS class was in the 70's.so if you want to argue let's do it,who's right?it all depends on who you are taking to and what side of the fence they are standing on. (end)*****


I am by no means saying that IH is not a good tractor, and I didn't say that JD was the best, I'm merely stating the facts. For the last several years, IH has ruled the SS division, but JD has been just as dominant in the PS division. Looks like a draw to me when you tell the WHOLE story!

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REDMAN

07-16-2003 09:39:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-16-2003 05:29:46  
it would be except for the reason why jd's can't hang with the red one's,the bottom end of the jd's don't have enough beef to hold together under the extreme cyl. pressure,as for prostock,the ih's never had a big block with the size of a jd.so it is pretty hard to get 700 ci out of an engine that started out as a 466.jd had over 600 ci stock,also if prostock keeps getting bigger turbo's i think the same thing will happen in that class,larry shope is about the only deere i've heard of that runs the small block,he wins like most others,perhaps when esdon lehn and larry retire we will see different colors on the top,that is if blagraves stay home,they have had a very good win rate against esdon.

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JD Puller

07-16-2003 10:01:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to REDMAN, 07-16-2003 09:39:03  
That's all well and good, except for the fact that most all prostocks and superstocks do extensive work in the bottom end on either color. Girdles, billet cranks, etc. help either block withstand the pressures. This day and time, there is little difference in the amount of pressure in either class, not to mention that the prostocks, usually turn their engines harder than the supers. And yes, there are some other teams that run JD prostocks with small block engines, and run consistantly in the top 10.

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REDMAN

07-16-2003 13:16:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-16-2003 10:01:35  
just how many super stocks do you work on?billet crank my rear,that is true in jd,but ih's just harden a stock crank,don't have to have no timing gears made for them either.as far as them runnig the same cyl. pressure i just have to ask,do you have a medical condition?you show me a turbo that is built no that can force air as good as 4 will.they do turn harder,but that is because of the cyl. pressure difference.you seem to think you know an awful lot,what is the name of yours anyway?

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REDMAN

07-15-2003 13:47:03




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 Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-15-2003 08:44:14  
that would have been me,i guess i didn't know i had the facts mixed-up.what i stated was true,i did say the diesel class.the alcohol class is to help the jd's compete,most of us don't really think they are tractors,how many 4440's have you ever seen with dual over-head cams and spark plugs out in the field?to some people that means something yet,if it say's stock,if it blew smoke in the field,it should blow smoke on the track.the one good point you made was the pro-stock class,it seems that that is a class where deere really shines,as for the diesel supers,it is a long season,it ain't the first time that a jd has been in the lead,the two you talked about are tough,no doubt about it,but with the ih's best tractor having teething pains with a new chassis it is far from over.

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LW

07-15-2003 12:03:03




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 Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-15-2003 08:44:14  
So you want to compare modern tractors to antiques? In the next few years you will see the antique super classes like div 4-5 ruled by molines, the 2cyl deeres tractors of the same time period will never keep up, thats a fact.



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Jason

07-16-2003 13:02:03




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 Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to LW, 07-15-2003 12:03:03  
I still have some questions. Where is all those Division 4 or 5 JD 2 lungers? Has there ever been one that could even compete? Will there ever be one that can win even one time? I like all these post about the 900ci ones, but lets look at history, they will just break in half due to grinding out of the crankcase! When it comes to Prostock and Super Stock those are not 2 cyl deeres. This is an antique forumn so we are comparing 2 cyl Deeres to others.

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REDMAN

07-16-2003 13:19:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to Jason, 07-16-2003 13:02:03  
when you log on maybe you should pay attention,it says for tractors 1975 and older,i didn't think jd still made the putt-putts then,correct me if i'm wrong.



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Jason

07-18-2003 10:50:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to REDMAN, 07-16-2003 13:19:50  
Oh yeah, they made them over in Argentina. LOL



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ChadS

07-15-2003 10:42:13




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 Re: Just for the record!! in reply to JD Puller, 07-15-2003 08:44:14  
Are you talking about ATPA tractors? Yes you are right about the points for JD. I can remember, 5 years ago when the alcohol tractors were pullin against the diesils, IH was running strong, I am refferring to Leroy Mason's IH 766 called "Down N Dirty" I haven't seen him in a while. But JD has caught up with the IHs since then. I seen a JD at Goshen IN. called "The Squeeler" that ran all over Leroy then. That was the first JD I had seen at the time, run that good.

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brian

07-16-2003 10:55:16




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 Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to ChadS, 07-15-2003 10:42:13  
The squaler certainly runs circles around everybody. Problem is that it has an overhead cam in it. This is a big argument in the pulling world since the overhead cam was outlawed, but the squealer was grandfathered in, making it the only ohc tractor. The rules have since changed again and a new class was created, unlimited light ss where the ohc is legal. So far they haven't pulled much, nobody else has built another ohc engine.

As for the original argument. Generally speaking IH rules the SF and diesel SS classes. JD rules the PS. As for the UnlSS, can we really even have any brand identity there? They are component tractors with billet cranks, cams, rods and pistons. The head is custom built, and they have 3-4 turbos and run on alchol. But, for argument's sake, a Caterpillar has ruled the roost for the past couple years, but it looks like a couple IH will take it away, or at least give them a run.

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REDMAN

07-16-2003 13:26:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to brian, 07-16-2003 10:55:16  
last year a jd won unl ss class and also for arguements sake,the diesels can run the component chassis now to,starting last year,it is still legal to run ohc on unl ss,but only at the grand national level,can still run 3 region hooks.



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JD Puller

07-15-2003 11:13:24




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 Re: Re: Just for the record!! in reply to ChadS, 07-15-2003 10:42:13  
Ok..... .first of all, Grand National (GN) is NTPA. Grand American (GA) is ATPA. As of 07-01-03, Demers is first in points, and Gettinger is second in Grand National (NTPA) Super Stock Diesel. Granted, this may not last for the rest of the year, cause the IH's are tough to handle, and right on their heels. Fact of the matter is, for years, Hypermax has been ahead of the pack on their research and development in the diesels, and they mostly work on IH products. Not taking away anything from Hyper, they have worked hard to stay in the forefront of the game, but evidently, someone has figured a little something out with the JD's.

I just wanted to quiet the something that came up during the discussion on the second page of this forum on 2 cyl JD's.

My $.02!!!

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