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Extra Flywheel weight versus HP

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ToddF

08-29-2001 08:15:45




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A while back there was some discussion about extra flywheel weight increasing the horsepower of a two cylinder JD. Well last night after eating to much of my wife's chocolate cake before bed I somehow got to thinking about that because my eyes were wide open in the dark, and that doesn't happen often, I'm generally out with the light. I'm not claiming to have any answer, but maybe I have something that somebody else can add some thought to. Somebody claimed to have seen a HP gain on the dyno by adding weight. The next guy said that according to the laws of physics the flywheel stores energy and would not show a sustained power output. Here is my line of thinking in an attempt to justify the disrepency betweent the dyno and physics, assuming that the dyno numbers are correct and repeatable. The fly wheel is not the only weight associated with the rotating assembly, there are also counter weights on the crank shaft, what do they do? Offset the cyclical energy given to the crank by the piston and rod. What happens if you remove all this counter weight? The thing runs pretty darn rough I believe, although I never tried it. This weightless condition would probably tear the bearings up rather quickly, not to mention loosen your fillings. So all this counter balance really acts like a damper to help smooth things out. I think most people will agree that less vibration in any rotating assemblies will equate to more horse power right? That means less energy imparted through the bearings to non-rotating members, which in turn means more energy stays in the crankshaft and can be directed through the clutch, transmission, etc. So why does that extra fly wheel weight show more HP on the dyno? I suggest that possibly the weight associated with the existing rotating assembly can not absorbe all the energy from the combustion stroke and the added weight helps to convert that energy into the rotating assembly rather than letting it pass through to the non-rotating case etc. This leads me to ask a question I have not seen on the discussion board: Has anybody tried mounting a vibration damper on the end of the crankshaft of one of these two cylinder engines? I don't rightly know how large it needs to be, and maybe at the frequencies these engines run at there is not much need for a damper. Well, tear me apart.--ToddF

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AJDPULLER

08-30-2001 18:13:06




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 Re: Extra Flywheel weight versus HP in reply to ToddF, 08-29-2001 08:15:45  
thats deep man. makes since that extra weight = more horse power. if you think about it, that weight , once in motion will have alot mor inertia. thus, once you get it rollin, each power stroke will be aided by this and you will have alot more momentom between strokes so it can lug longer, i think that weight willl make a lot of differance.



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Goldsburg

08-30-2001 05:44:53




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 Re: Extra Flywheel weight versus HP in reply to ToddF, 08-29-2001 08:15:45  
Todd -

You have presented a a very well thought out hypothesis, which in some ways does make sense. However, the counterweights on a crank (not sure if Deere has them, I know that most antique tractor 4 cyl's are not fully counterweighted) are meant to counteract transverse loading of the crankshaft, as you mentioned. This is to reduce the stress on the bearings, bearing caps, and block and crankshaft. The crankshaft damper is to help reduce or eliminate torsional harmonics or torsional shock loading to the crankshaft.

Any crankshaft can only take a finite number of cycles (torsional or transverse)at a given loading before breakage. If you increase the number of cycles for a given length of time (increase RPM) the breakage limit will arrive much sooner. The same can be said for increasing the loading at the same rate of cycle accumulation (increasing torque through displacement or compression, detonation, etc). The net result of either of these is the same: It won't live as long!

Now, if you take a torsional harmonic damper and put it on the end of your crankshaft, it will "clip" the top ends of those loading spikes (from cylinder firings) off, thus decreasing the torsional shock load to the crankshaft. Similarly, if you fully counterweight your crankshaft, you will decrease net transverse loads from cylinder firing. These two things have the reverse effect of what was mentioned in the previous paragraph: the crank lives longer at the same rate of cycle accumulation (RPM). It is my suggestion that a torsional damper or fully counterweighted crankshaft in a JD 2cyl would show you nothing measurable on a dyno or in the life of the crankshaft (at stock + X% RPM).

When you spin the engine up, it is a completely different story....

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Goldsburg

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