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Boost+Carb

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Jason

10-15-2003 20:55:17




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I was wondering if anybody has any knowledge of boost sytems with carbs on tractors? I like to fabricate things and am a boost freak.I have come acoss a import-ballbearing turbo, and conviently i have an old M which could use some geddyup(I know it is not legal for pulling but it would run good). I have thought in order to make it work i would have to do one of two things, suck out of the carb and blow into the motor, or build a box around the carb to bring up total atmospheric presure. It would be the easiest to blow throught the carb with no box but is this posible? thanks for any inputs.

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Jerry B

10-16-2003 06:25:05




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 Re: Boost+Carb in reply to Jason, 10-15-2003 20:55:17  
Jason,
I have an 88 Oliver that has a 77 engine in it. Makes for a weak 88. I had a like new turbo from a fuel injected Mitsubishi under the work bench just gathering dust. A little planning, a little tinkering, and a little plumbing the turbo was installed and blowing through the crab.

Ran fine until under a load. The pressure from the turbo overcame the gravity feed of the fuel from the tank and kept the fuel from entering the carb. hhhhhmmmm..... .. Installed electric fuel pump and that cured the problem.

If you run the wet charge (fuel and air mixed) through the turbo you will have to relocate the carb and that makes it difficult to connect the stock IH govenor. Also the turbo will have to be a sealed type designed for air/fuel mixutes. Running a box still has problems as the choke cable, govenor linkage and so forth are potential leaks. Nothing major just something else you have to contend with. Depending on how much boost you are planning on running, a few leaks may not hurt a thing and make actually be helpful in preventing over boost. The box is also a good place to mount a boost pressure releif valve.

The boost of the turbo is limited by the rmp of the turbo. The waste gate limits the turbo's rpm to prevent over pressures and explosions of the turbine and/or the compressors. If the boost pressure is kept moderate you may not even need the waste gate to open. BUT if the turbo is rather small for the application, then you may have to open the waste gate permanently to prevent destruction.

I would try mounting the turbo on the exhaust manifold by fabricating a mounting flange welded directly to a very short exhaust pipe. Plumb the pressurized air into the throat of the carb with new tubing. Use neopreme hosing where needed to connect everything.

Install a good electric fuel pump capable of producing more pressure than the turbo. You may have to put a variable pressure regulator in the system activated by vacuume to reduce fuel pressure or by boost to increase fuel pressure.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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Brad

10-16-2003 16:03:20




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 Re: Re: Boost+Carb in reply to Jerry B, 10-16-2003 06:25:05  
I guess I assumed that he was not running a govenor and I can see where the linkage would be quite a challenge. Sounds like you have a pretty simple system that works well. What carb are you running and how much boost?



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Jerry B

10-17-2003 06:09:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Boost+Carb in reply to Brad, 10-16-2003 16:03:20  
Brad,
Believe it or not I am running the stock carb that came on the engine. As far as boost is concerned I have limited it to 3 pound or there abouts.

Actualy the engine doesn't turn enough rpm to spool the turbo up to it's true potential and really bring on the boost. But for pulling a bush hog through tough weeds and brush it does very well. It looses no rpm in a hard pull and the whistle of the turbo will get neighbors attention real quick!

Keep in mind that the Waukesha engines had a squirt type of oiling system for the rods. By tapping into the oil galley and placing a turbo in the system you will loose some oil pressure and flow. I upped the oil pressure to about 20 pounds hot at high idle. So far no problems.

My 1968 Chevy 250 straight six with a Garret Air Research turbo from a V6 Buick with an Edlebrock 4 bbl carb, water injection, manual-shift over drive transmission with the waste gate wired closed is a different story! :)

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Brad

10-17-2003 16:29:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Boost+Carb in reply to Jerry B, 10-17-2003 06:09:38  
I have some factory gear pumps that go right in place of the factor vane pumps.



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Brad

10-15-2003 22:18:19




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 Re: Boost+Carb in reply to Jason, 10-15-2003 20:55:17  
The easiest way is to pull through the carb and push into the engine.



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