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ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE????

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11-12-2003 16:46:24




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How light can you get one of these tractors for pulling? I was thinking of shedding the cast wheels, hydraulics, 3 point hitch, and going with a lighter front end. Is there a narrow front end that will fit this tractor, or even a light weight wide front from a 4020/4010? Any information would be welcome. Got this tractor really cheap, and would like to pull with it.




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Scott Williams

11-14-2003 05:41:33




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 Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to 4520, 11-12-2003 16:46:24  
First thing you have to do is make a decision.

Are this going to be strictly a puller, or do you want to be able to work with it?

Second, if you do make the decision to build a full time puller, you can easily get it under 9k lbs, but you'd be just as well to start off with a pile of parts instead of a whole tractor.

Speaking of a pile of parts, if you are interested, I have a pile I might be willing to sell from my puller project. Might even swap you out for your 4520 if you aren't too far away.

Best of luck with whatever direction you wish to go.

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JDGnut

11-13-2003 18:11:23




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 Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to 4520, 11-12-2003 16:46:24  
Cody has the right idea.. get rid of off all the stock steering stuff.. and use hydrostatic steering like on the newer tractors.. if you want to use a stock axle or that style.. Use one off a utility tractor that has steering cylinders.. (you will have to get rid of the stock steering valve assembly for this..) Just cap off the hydraulic lines running to the back.. and remove as you had said... You can probably see the SCV boxes, and the side console.. Lots of weight that can be shed... also look at the Hydraulic pump.. with some configuring it could removed and replaced with a gear pump, or a smaller piston pump.. (depending on the steering valve you choose..) Off course a 466 could be installed.. a bigger pump.. and only the pocket is the limit... JDGnut

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G-MAN

11-14-2003 07:40:00




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 Re: Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to JDGnut, 11-13-2003 18:11:23  
Like I said, it's going to take a lot of work, lol.



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G-MAN

11-12-2003 17:16:37




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 Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to 4520, 11-12-2003 16:46:24  
Removing everything you listed will definitely shed a pile of weight, but it will be much easier said than done - particularly the steering. As far as I know, the 4520 was not available with a narrow front, and therein lies a major problem. Unlike the 4520's predecessors, the 4020 and 4320, the steering was not controlled by a steering motor integrated into the front casting, but instead by steering cylinders. On a steering-motor-equipped tractor that was available with a narrow front, it's a relatively easy (relatively being the key word - it's still quite a task to swap out steering motors) job to install a convertible steering motor, or if you're really lucky, the tractor already has one. Neither of those options will be available to you. You'll have to devise some way to mount and steer a narrow front, which won't be easy. And if you also want to work the tractor, you'll have to be careful when installing a wide front, to make sure it will stand up to the rigors of hard use. 4520s are not particularly light tractors. As far as the hitch goes, I'm not sure whether the 4520 was available "bare-back" or not, that is to say without a rockshaft housing, rockshaft, lift arms, etc. If it was, you might be able to find a plain housing. If not, you'll have to build one or gut a regular rockshaft housing. Once again, not a lot of fun. Removing the cast wheels is gravy - install a set of dual hubs and pressed steel wheels. This is your tractor, but if it were me who had bought it cheap, and had some money to spend, I'd concentrate on getting the engine and the rest of the tractor in good shape, and start entering farm-stock-type pulls to begin with. It's going to take much more than just lightening it up to be competitive at any level above the county fair type pulls. You might also consider the fact that New Generation Deeres are rapidly becoming collectible, and although the 4520 will probably never be as popular as the 4020, and although the 4520 is more tractor than most guys would want to haul around, there were also no where near as many built as the 4020, so your tractor may be a better investment left as-is, than heavily modified for pulling. If you're going to go into competive pulling, you may as well bite the bullet and buy a late-model 6466 or a 6076 and install that in place of your 6404 engine. Much more potential there, and much stouter from the get-go. They're also just about a bolt-in swap, due to the high hood clearance of the 4520 and 4620. My two cents.

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4520 to G-MAN

11-12-2003 17:45:37




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 Re: Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to G-MAN, 11-12-2003 17:16:37  
I am only interested in Farm Stock Pulling, but would like to get it as light as possible. If I had to I would make my own covers in place of the flat back. Is it possible to get it down to 9000#, or 10,000#? I am not new to the sport of farm and antique tractorpulling, I have pulled a John Deere G & A for the past 23 years with very good success, and just want to move up to something a little bigger and blow some smoke. Will a wide front from a 4010/4020 fit this tractor?

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G-MAN

11-12-2003 17:56:37




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 Re: Re: Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to 4520 to G-MAN, 11-12-2003 17:45:37  
Well, it could fit if you were willing to spend enough time and money to MAKE it fit, but as far as being a bolt-on, forget about it. They're two completely different animals.



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Cody

11-12-2003 19:44:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ANYONE PULL A 4520 JOHN DEERE???? in reply to G-MAN, 11-12-2003 17:56:37  
Why don't you get a power steering box out of a combine that has two lines running to the steering cylinder, make you some brackets for the wide front that you like, mount the cylinder to it, run some new lines and paint it green. It could be made to look factory with a little TLC. My 2.785 cents!



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