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mike

11-16-2003 17:37:28




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How about div 5 results? some of us had to stay home and work.




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Spectator

11-17-2003 09:09:44




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 Re: Columbia results in reply to mike, 11-16-2003 17:37:28  
Cox had his 460 in 3500 and won. McQuoid revamped 88 and was 2nd. Had several in 3750. Storer's old style 88 was strong and Dodge has got an old styled one too. There was an M in the class, but wasn't running right. Cox and McQuoid finished the same again. Missed 4000lb, but heard Bunyard's 880 ran good. Bear had clutch problems. Shipman had his MF/MM in 5000 and I think he won. Tolson's Case was right there and so was Brooks' 560. Actually, Hutson's W40 was right there too. Begeman Shipman and Tolson were only close ones in 5500 on Sunday. Make a note though of a MM U (from Kansas) that ran real hard in heavy classes. If it could get light, I think it's making power about like Bunyard or Brooks. Rink has got new HP in his GVI and I think he won heavy classes. MF/MM from NE was strong too. Black MF/MM from MO wasn't there. Other notes would be that Roorda had JD in 4500 IV that might have promise and Flatt's W9 looked good in heavier Div IV. Hutson was untouchable in Div IV even by Lepard's unbelievabe 88. Lastly, they had a 5750 jackpot class with quite a few in it. It was won by a JD from IL.

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Observant Spectator

11-17-2003 09:35:01




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 Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Spectator, 11-17-2003 09:09:44  
3500, 3750,& 4000 winner Cox; 4500 winner Bunyard; 5000 winner Shipman; 5500 & 6000 winner Begeman, 6500 winner?; 7500 & 8500 winner Rink; Bear lost clutch; Hutson ran OK; 3500 Class had a lot of strong tractors in it; 5500 had Begeman, Shipman, Tolson, and a strong U MM; Flatt's W-9 ran well as did Burch's 88's



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ChadS

11-17-2003 11:42:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Observant Spectator, 11-17-2003 09:35:01  
See, that is why I quit pulling NATPA,, How can the little guys with say an H IH, or a WD Allis with big motors run with a 460? sure,, there are some out there that can,, but in the old days,, they had rules to keep tractors like this out of the light classes. You know,, OL 88, massey 44, and so on,, not below 4500, ol 77 and like size below 4000. Then here we go,, got a 460 down to 3500. It is even a tractor? Or a dragster frame with a 460 or whatever engine? Why does the big money boys, have to be so light? Not enough power to turn them at 4500? Now mind you,, I am not picking on the tractor,, I am picking on the rule committie that lets this stuff in the classes. I guess us boys with the bigger hp tractors will just have to stay in div 2 and 3 huh? Always complaining,, ChadS

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B Puller

11-25-2003 06:17:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to ChadS, 11-17-2003 11:42:48  
It's been fairly obvious over the past few years, that the majority of people who make the rules for the NATPA, have an abundance of money to spend on their tractors, automatically creating an unfair advantage over those of us who have to scrape together enough money during the off season to make it out on the winter circuit. My favorite thing about the NATPA rules is the fact that the "Big Dogs" who run in division IV and V, think they're entitled to the right to create rules for the divisions they don't even participate in. It's very frustrating when you take a day off work just so you can attend a meeting, so you can voice your opinion about the rules and regulations in the division you pull in, but because so much time was wasted arguing about common sense issues(you know what I mean if you've attended a NATPA meeting), that there isn't any time left to discuss the important issues(rules), because our committee is tired and hungry and/or our allotted time is up for the facility we were in. So, either the rules remain the same or a "meeting of the minds" is called to order and held in one of those elaborate buses/motorcoaches that we've all seen at a NATPA pull, where the fate of our sport, tractor pulling, is decided. Democracy at it's best.

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Observant Spectator

11-17-2003 11:59:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to ChadS, 11-17-2003 11:42:48  
Pull div 4 then. Last time I saw a Super Pro Ultimate Modified USAP class it was the same way on weighting, you make it, you pull it. Wheeler, Greg Lemmons, etc all seem to get along fine with their H's in div 4 and even pull div 5 3500 lbs some. Something Wilder is Tuff Enuff!!



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ChadS

11-17-2003 15:33:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Observant Spectator, 11-17-2003 11:59:32  
Yes,, you are right. But this is my point,, they are factory rear end tractors.. Not a frame rail tractor. To me,, antique pulling is having an actual factory framed tractor. Leave the dragsters in the NTPA, and the ATPA,, that is all I am saying. ChadS



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Alan

11-17-2003 12:33:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Observant Spectator, 11-17-2003 11:59:32  
The observant spectator is right: how can you bad mouth the NATPA when they have protected weight classes in Division IV (unless you have a girdle or head shim)? You can find out real quick how tuned "Wilder" is by bringing to an NATPA pull (Princeton, IN for example) and running against the top competition in the country, instead of hiding out at USAP pulls and bad mouthing the NATPA.



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Chads

11-17-2003 15:30:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Alan, 11-17-2003 12:33:43  
Dear Sir,, Bad mouthing the NATPA, is everyones pet peeve!!! LOL Wilder is tuned just fine for what I have it set up for. You are right though,, I do need to hit a few NATPA events this year. In fact I planned on it. But,, what do you see in the div 4 classes these days? Sure Wheeler, Lemmons, and Suzie. But what I was saying is a 460,, down to 3500,, is not antique pulling. Not to me. Sure they hook to the sled and go like the wind,, but what happened to having to have a factory rear end? I can remember,, down in Hartford, and Wilmington, OH, Tractors not allowed in the div5 classes because of the model of the tractor. That was my point. Everyone did want to go by the rules,, but they was changed,, right after the class had pulled, so the same tractors could pull in a class they don't belong in. Frame rail pulling tractors, belong in it's own catagory,, should be an unlimited class,, not division 5. Look at the ATPA, and the NTPA!! all rail frame tractors. Why? because that is where the technology has lead them. Is the NATPA ready for thease kind of tractors? To me,, it is not ANTIQUE pulling,, it is all out unlimited pulling.. Give me the USAP anyday of the week,, rule don't change overnite, just because the big money teams ask the organization to change them for their tractors. Just my opinions,, Old fashioned,, ChadS

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Drew

11-17-2003 16:47:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Chads, 11-17-2003 15:30:06  
Maybe you dont think Div. V is antique pulling, but obviously other people do or div. V would not exist. There is a class for everyone. They (Div. V) has their classes, and you have yours. There are no componet chassis (rail frame as you call them) in div. V. NTPA and ATPA are not all componet chassis either. Prostocks still use a factory rearend housing. Im pretty sure lt. superstock is still OEM rearends, for right now anyway. And if you say all tractors lightened like Cox's belong in their own category....guess what, they are in their own category...div. V, unlimited or whatever you want to call it.

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what??

11-17-2003 16:24:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to Chads, 11-17-2003 15:30:06  
Cox's tractor has the "factory rearend"--put down your JEGS issues and actually go to a pull! Just cause the little H won't compete with him, quit whining!



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Who you fooling?

11-17-2003 16:44:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Columbia results in reply to what??, 11-17-2003 16:24:58  
There aint no way,,, unless it is 85%aluminum



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