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Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new association?

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dale

12-10-2003 21:27:23

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Hey pullers of the northwoods, at the moment I am looking for ideas and interests in the possibility of a new association in the area. This area has no associations other than ITPA, and I figure there is probably enough disgruntled ex itpa people out there among others that would take interest in belonging to an assn. that looks out for the best interest of the future of the sport, and fairness to the pullers. I know, right, whatever, but I am as serious as the day is long. Throw some comments down here guys, that is what this board is for, the ideas and comments of pullers to help better the sport right? Don't have to leave your name, this is just some real early planning, but now is when input is the most important, after all, we don't want to be like ITPA or the NATPA in any way at all. Happy holidays, and thanks for any input guys.

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Jeremy Roff

01-12-2004 15:25:46

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

I would be happy to see a new assn. formed. I think indianhead is outdated and it's members tend to make rules to fit there own tractors rather than for the greater good I would be happy to help even though you think my my tractor is substandard. thanks JR
P.s sorry about my first entry I was Discusted that someone would write bad things abuot me

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running with red

12-13-2003 19:53:35

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

Hey dale got a question on you deal you are starting here. Your plan would be to start all new pulls in different area's or take over some of the existing locations ITPA is now running?

Another question is you are planning for your own sled at these pulls-don't care for Rosenberg's sled or how about that guy that came up from Eau Claire area with that sled for the Hammond pull in 2003, if you were there to see it.

My only suggestion is try to keep farm-farm. Everybody can tell when the tractors pass the farm stage. M's with disc brakes, 1066's in 3rd high...bring the limit down a little would be nice.
Just trying to get a feel for what you got cooking.

Thanks.

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Alan

12-12-2003 10:37:31

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

An abridged version of my previous post:

As far as starting a new association, I would be more than willing to help out with such an undrtaking. However, I do hope that it is an undertaking that is approached with caution. I have a feeling that United we stand, divided we fall. If we break off into too many different associations none of them will be big enough to survive. Another option might be to talk to the guys in Cloverland and see if they would be willing to run pulls farther west. I know I would be willing to help.

Drop me a line,
Alan Hughes

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dale

12-12-2003 14:36:27

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Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new asso in reply to Alan, 12-12-2003 10:37:31

Hi Alan, first off, thanks for the post and please feel free to tell me some more about the pulls by the guys in Cloverland. Ideas are what I'm interested in. You are absolutely right though, united we stand, divided we fall. But thats why we want to start a new club, for the MANY fallen pullers around here burnt out by all the mishaps of pulling with indianhead. I know of quite a few pulling tractors sitting in sheds around that would like to do it again, and would with a new club. We know there is a lot of work ahead, and its going to probably be quite a while before we would even have a meeting let alone a pull, but it has to start somewhere, right? A couple of guys proposed the idea that when the sled gets built, we get together whoever wants to come, no charge, with their tractors, (coolers and stuff to throw on the grill), and have kind of a test and tune day. This way guys get to meet one another, dial their tractor in some, and thus we get a chance to get bugs out of the sled and scale before we ever have a pull, and hopefully it helps everyone to stand and work together towards the goal of getting a club going.

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Alan

12-14-2003 18:51:04

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Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new in reply to dale, 12-12-2003 14:36:27

Dale,

The man to talk to would be Terry Roulou (SP?) who owns and operates the sled that does a majority of the Cloverland pulls. You can get a hold of him by calling Al's Tractor Parts in Augusta during normal business hours. I don't have his number in front of me or I would give it to you. Right now cloverland pulls usually have three divisions,

Virgin Stock: No suitcase weights, No weight brackets, 10% rpms, factory hitches, no stripping to make weight, 1955 or older, Pure stock, straight off the farm, no tin rims if not stock.

Semi Stock: Weights, Brackets allowed, 10%rpm's, Power blocks allowed, No cuts or exsesive spin marks, No radials, More engine limitations that I don't remember, 1955 or older, 1st or 2nd gear

Open: No Turbo's, No Nitrous, May possibly more the year cutoff up to 1960

As you can see these are antique pulls but many towns will add a few farm stock classes up to about 14,000#, basically run semi stock rules and get rid of the age limitaion. Terry's sled is getting better and bettter every year. The little tractors (2800#) can pull him quite easily for nearly 300' and yet he can stop 14,000# also. He had a little bit of trouble stopping the heavy tractors on black top last year but he's fixing that this winter, too. If You want more info email me or leave me a phone number and I'll let you know more.

Thanks,
Alan

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Flyin Farmall

12-11-2003 18:06:30

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

Let me know how it goes!!I know a few guys that would be interested in pullin with you.Do you have anything set up yet??A meeting time or something?

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running with red

12-11-2003 17:17:37

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

Are you talking about Indainhead Tractor Pulling Assocation that runs the pulls like Hammond, Glenwood City, Ridgeland and such pulls. If you are I have got a couple questions for you. I heard rumors that they are considering knocking the small classes out, only running 9000# and up, is this true? Something about the pulls lasting to long. They already limit to one class. And is it going to cost more again this year, it seems to jump a lot each year.

I am all for a new assocation to take over some of these pulls. I don't care to go to the pulls they are running now, but don't have a choice. Too much power over the area is never a good thing.

Thanks for any help.

working on the red ones for this year.

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Jermy

12-11-2003 20:08:48

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Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new asso in reply to running with red, 12-11-2003 17:17:37

Where do you guys get this crap from? Think about who tells you this stuff, are theur heads up their a$$? ITPA isn't dropping any of the small classes. Their pulls got done at a decent hour last year, with farm classes only hooking once. This was on a trial basis. They are hoping to try something else this year, hoping to find what works best. No pull anywhere runs 100% smooth, there are always a few problems. Instead of always whining and your so-called backstabbing, why don't you offer constructive criticism(is that too big of a word for you?) or try helping for once? If ITPA is so bad, why are they being booked to run pulls in Minnesota plus about 6 others in Iowa? So many other pulls are also adapting theie rules, even the brush pulls! For everyones benefit, try to make things better, not worse.If you hate it so much, stay home, you are not being forced to pull there are you? I know, a bad day pulling is better than a good day at home. Lighten up!

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dale

12-12-2003 14:13:13

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Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new in reply to Jermy, 12-11-2003 20:08:48

Hey jermy, so Indianhead might have picked up a few pulls, But they are a long way away, why, because no body around here likes indianhead, you guys will stab your own longtime members square in the back if it means you can get just a little ahead. And have you ever noticed that some of the best tractors around, DON'T belong to your club, example, Rick Lake, The Most boys, Al Becker,(after you guys twisted the dagger into his back) Tony Garrets, etc, etc. Ever notice how at the run what ya brung pull in the spring how many new tractors are there, but yet many never pull any other time with you guys. If ever there was a club that should use the slogan "If you can't beat it, boycott it!"it's indianhead! And don't tell me everthing is just wonderful in Itpa land either, I know for a fact you guys ended up begging Rosenberg to do your pulls, and I know he told you guys, one bit of bitching and he would pull out, he told us this before season even began last year. He doesn't like your pulls either. What we are suggesting doing is starting a new club here, now you love indianhead, and thats fine, but at sometime in history someone went through the same process we are about to start, so if you don't like it just stay out of our way, and don't come to our pulls when we do finally get this off the ground, I'm sure it won't be for this season, but most likely the next. We will be building the sled this spring, and working on other problems at hand first. If you do come to one of our pulls someday, and you have side panels on your motor, (cause I bet your a hobby class guy,) we're not going to ask to see your motor, just pull! What I was asking for in this post was ideas from area guys wanting something other than Itpa, I wasn't asking for a pissin match with a dumba$$, but I guess I got both, huh! I would like to take a guess at who you are, is your last name ROFF? If it is than the following message is just for you, if not, then please ignore. (why don't you ask for some help with that allis, rather than looking like a damn fool, and getting beat everytime out, quit wasting your money!

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Jeremy Roff

01-11-2004 14:00:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a in reply to dale, 12-12-2003 14:13:13

there is a lot of mud slinging going on here. and I for one do not like it. I was not the one writing in replie to your comments and take personal offence to your replies. I will always give my ID becouse I belive in what I say. See You Next Summer Mr. Helstern Thanks Jeremy Roff

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STEVE

12-13-2003 04:13:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a in reply to dale, 12-12-2003 14:13:13

Dale you say the best tractors do not run itpa. Well what do you consider hobby stock. We ran the lakes out of itpa for running the wrong motor. everybody knows it is a 292 chevy.Wouldn't that tractor be considered modified. If you do not open side shields and inspect next thing you know hobby tractors will be running small block chevys blown and on alcohol. just my 2 cents

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smarter than you, steve!

12-13-2003 05:17:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone fo in reply to STEVE, 12-13-2003 04:13:11

A 292 chevy! you itpa guys are all dumber than fence posts-

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Steve

12-13-2003 11:31:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyon in reply to smarter than you, steve!, 12-13-2003 05:17:31

If you are so damn smart why not reveal who you really are instead of hiding.

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IH :)

12-12-2003 21:29:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a in reply to dale, 12-12-2003 14:13:13

Just got back from the ITPA annual meeting! Thought you should know Rosenberg was asked if he would be available to do the ITPA pulls in 2004 and without hesitation he said you bet. Didn't sound like a guy that doesn't like ITPA to me. Sounds like you know more than I do about ITPA but I doubt it!

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running with red

12-12-2003 10:35:55

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Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new in reply to Jermy, 12-11-2003 20:08:48

You need to settle down just a little, I just asked a simple question. Sorry for trying to get the true story. Thanks for the help.

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Larry

12-12-2003 15:00:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a in reply to running with red, 12-12-2003 10:35:55

Indianhead guys get defensive quick, don't they? If anyone cares, here is a list of pulls I threw together that ARE NOT ITPA, we go to all of these, not many bad ones, if I missed one someone else knows of, post it.

1.Roberts Good Neighbor Days
2.Clayton Cheese Days, spring pull
3.Jump River
4.Indian Creek,(Lorain Fire Dept.fundraiser pull)
5.Polk Cty. Fair, use similar rules to ITPA though
6.Pine Cty. Fair, Pine City MN.
7.Rush City, Chisago county fair
8.Pierce Cty. Fair, Ellsworth
9.Harvest Fest, River Falls (Stock classes only)
10.Pepin, Lions club fundraiser (run whacha brung)
11.Barron Cty. Fair, Rice Lake
12.Burnett Cty. Fair, Grantsburg
13.Osceola FFA Pull, Osceola
14.Boyceville Fire Dept. sponsored
15.Clayton Fall Pull put on by Fire Dept.
16.Almelund Threshing Show Fri. nite-1960 an older, no rules night Sat. 1950 and older, stock classic pull Sun. 1970 and older, stock vintage pull

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running with red

12-13-2003 19:41:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone fo in reply to Larry, 12-12-2003 15:00:30

Quick question for ya Larry, I heard last year that Pierce County fair was only for those that live in Pierce County and no straight pipes? It is thursday night too right?

Quick thing about Polk County fair, they let you get by running up the rpm's as long as you are willing to hold them there at the end empty-just for a few seconds. Talking from experience.

Yeah that guy went off the handle pretty quick from me asking a few simple questions. All I ask is farm stock is kept close to farm stock. 100 horse M's and G's turning 16.9's-yeah farm stock, right off the baler or plow. M's came with accel plug wires too ha ha ha. Hope I didn't offend anybody.

Out there for the fun of it.

Thanks.

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Larry

12-14-2003 00:01:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyon in reply to running with red, 12-13-2003 19:41:23

At Pierce county, you have to live in the county to pull in the farm stock class only, hobby and open is anyones game, BUT, one of the directors and a few others said this coming year it may all be opened up. Straight pipes are allowed in the farm class now, and yes the pull is thursday night, little odd, but a fun pull. Polk cty works kind of funny, suppose to be rpm limits, but they don't take a second look at them until someone complains, then the one and only decision maker at the pull can't stand the heat, and kicks someone out, but by the end of the night it's pretty much balls to the walls pulling. It was kind of fun two years ago when they reversed the pulling order, heavy to light. For a change us little guys at the end got to pull a few tricks without getting thrown out, he he he! But, thats pulling! I can say most all the pulls listed are good pulls, they're fun, not much bitching, and good competition.

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Robert knows

12-13-2003 23:38:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyon in reply to running with red, 12-13-2003 19:41:23

Sooooo , on who's dynamometer did you see these ferocious tractors turning 100 H.P.? Yeah farm stock isn't absolutely stock anymore. But then, there aren't that many farmer left either that have the time to haul the little old B or M 30 miles to a tractor pull. Generally(mind you I said "Generally") the rpm limit will hold H.P. down some, speed limits help also, but fair boards, sled operators, track officials want the pull to go fast. Watching 50 tractors or so creep down the track in 1st gear gets old too. Yeah, the hobby and big smoke blowers are neat to watch, but they aren't stock either. I never claimed to have ALL the answers, but I try to answer the Q's when I do have the answers.Alot of Farm pullers have been caught trying to run with higher rpm's and then turn them down or have hidden throttle stops, this doesn't make anyone look good. The absolute fair way would have only one tractor at a pull, everyone takes a turn pulling it,.....but how dumb is that? That's why there are differt makes and colors of tractors, and a contest to see who can make their tractor go farthest. Tractor pullers aren't the first or last to "cheat". Haven't you been to a snowmobile race, car races,demo derby, cattle shows, etc. There are always a few scabs in the bunch no matter what. You have the right attitude, if you feel you can do better, keep at it, and best of luck, we will all gain from progress!

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running with red

12-14-2003 19:23:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, a in reply to Robert knows, 12-13-2003 23:38:38

Hey Robert I have to admit I not sure if it is a 100 horse M but I bet it is close. Don't know many old Farmall M's that can turn 16.9's in the 7500# farm class in second gear on a moist clay track. Don't know many M's that came with a fast rear end like a Super M and with disc brakes? Thought they were band.....m's were pretty slow compared to the supers....lp manifolds-heads, accel plug wires...hmmm

Hey I am not complaining about the tractor, just got to vent a little and wish I had the money to do it. Yeah it wins the class most of the time and it deserves it. Lot of money and time went into the tractor.

It is a good time and a fun hobby. The best is you get to talk to the old farmers that worked these tractors that I am pulling and restoring. Makes it fun.

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Kurt

12-18-2003 09:49:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI puller in reply to running with red, 12-14-2003 19:23:26

First of all, Thank you for the complements. In regards to the disc brakes, it is a 1952 Farmall M. If you look in the owners manual, the 1952's had the exact same rearend as the Super M's from the factory. Brakes are the same, although gears are slightly different. The third and fourth gear are slightly faster than an early M, but slower than a Super M. They made a step backward when switching from band brakes to disc brakes in my opinion. Now back to the appearance of my M. Yes I have spent a lot of time and money on my tractor. I take a lot of pride in restoring tractors, and in fact most of our farm tractors look similar in appearance. I probably will be adding more chrome this year, and if you like it, take a picture, if not, then put on your sunglasses. I am willing to go into detail as to what is under the hood if anyone is so determined that I am cheating. There are a lot of rumors out there, and I would like to stop them at some point. I appreciate a shiny tractor no matter what color, I'm not predjudiced. Thanks again for noticing my tractor, and appreciating the work that has gone into it.

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jermy

12-13-2003 22:50:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyon in reply to running with red, 12-13-2003 19:41:23

O.K. I wasn't trying to be defensive, just trying to put the facts first. You know how things get started. The ol' "well I heard someone say" kind of deal. If everyone knew the facts, there would be no mix-ups,...only in a perfect world though,huh? I do realize everyone is just trying to make things better, even though sometimes it doesn't seem like it, just trying to give "everyone" the benefit of the doubt. First, what do you do when a pure stock tractor beats one of these so-called hopped up tractors? Kick them out too? After all, they did beat them, so maybe they have 110 h,p,.Maybe they did get a good hook, ar had their weights properly placed, but maybe the other guy does too? I understand all the points you all have made here, and all are valid. But at some point you have to have rules, so things don't get out of hand more every week. Yes, the pissing matches get old. One time at Glenwood, punches were thrown. This isn't what we bring our kids to tractor pulls to see. As for the guys mentioned who won't come back...It seems nothing is right for them at many other pulls either.They don't like to lose either, no one does, but sometimes take the pride in just knowing that the tractor is "yours".I never ment to offend anyone, the majority of you guys are great.It seems we're either right or wrong, or partially right, which means we're also partially wrong. That's all ITPA is, and every other assn. or lions club or fair board that puts a pull on. It's only a game.

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ChadS

12-10-2003 22:40:23

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Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new associat in reply to dale, 12-10-2003 21:27:23

I am ready for a new club in Northern Indiana. I love the club I am with,, Great group,, but a second club to pull with would be great too. Chads

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Johnny

12-13-2003 09:28:58

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Re: Re: Attn. NW WI pullers, anyone for a new asso in reply to ChadS, 12-10-2003 22:40:23

Hello to everyone who has commented or is reading this. I have been tractor pulling in this area for going on ten years. I am not the richest guy around I would like to pull hobby or open but Havent had the funds to be able to. So every summer I drag the old 560 out get it started and go pulling because I love doing it. last summer I think I won one trophy with the old girl but I had a blast all summer long. Some people may tell me it is not farm stock. I have the pump turned up weight bracket and a pulling hitch. thats it because thats all I can aford. So what if I go out and get beat by a hopped up 460, or j.d. G, by ten feet. It gives me great satisfaction knowing they spent all that money to beat an old 560 by very little. I think a pulling association in this area is needed. Just for the fact of keeping the sport going, and not letting the small town pulls dissapear. I may not agree with all the rules or like everyone. I used to get pretty upset some times. Now a days I just go to have fun, thats the point right fun!!!! Somebodys always going to beat you. I think everyone has to stop being babies.

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