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To all the whiney non-Deere pullers

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burns

03-25-2001 17:25:40




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Did I get your attention?

Lately many of the topics on the pulling page has revolved around many of the Deere pullers cheating by adding aftermarket components. While, I will be the first to admit that my G does contain aftermarket parts. I will be the first to point out the many vendors/parts that are avaliable to other brands. Resolution? Get over it because as the sport becomes even more popular and more second/third generation tractor owners start bringing out their dads or grandpas tractors, the parts will start showing up more and more. And for all of you BONE STOCK pullers, either your are lying or you have an exceptional tractor for being 50-60 years old.

Like many of you, I have fallen victim to the "groups" or "clicks" of guys who have changed the rules to favor their buddies and their brands. Probably the MM guys have been hit the hardest by the NATPA rules with the HD800 regulations. It is fair no. Do I want to try and pull against one no. Would I like to see the rules changed, not really but I would support the rules if they did. What can you do about the groups and clicks? I quit going to their pulls but the more I think about it, I think I will go back and try it again. Let's be perfectly honest, any tractor regardless of size, hp, color, or parts built with,,, can be beat on any given day or night. It is hard to beat the rule book though.

My point to my rambling is plain and simple. Can we move on from the whining and brand bashing. I like to needle the "other" guy but it gets old after awhile.

One final thought. For all of the folks that think the pullers have disgraced the tractors brand/heritage by adding something non-stock or non-brand. I would honor your opinion but honor the guy who owns that tractor and his opinion to change anything as he pleases. Don't think for one minute that the 1-2 mph tractors will draw the crowds and their money. People like the traditional stock tractors but they also crave the power. Remember folks real trucks rattle!! A final, final thought. For all of you guys that have been hit in the head by your significant other, this brand war has been going on well before any after market parts were being sold. Did you ever see the shirt "Bragging Rights" Farmall M and John Deere G. Not a Lemmons M or a Schooler G
The Deere is winning in that picture.

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lonn

03-31-2001 17:03:30




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
All I want is to pull against other stock pullers not stock plus 15 hp or something like that.



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Bryon

03-28-2001 14:34:35




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
I don't know about where you guys run, but around here the crowd that shows up at an antique/classic pull is mostly old-timers and farmers who remember working the old iron in the field and enjoy watching them. Now I don't mind being a stocker in a modified pond as long as its within reason and legal. Rules are fair as long as they're enforce equally.
One thing is like about our little association is that not only do I know what I'm running, I know what half our competition is running, because they aren't afraid to tell me and show me in the interest of improving both of our tractor's performances. I'm not in this anything but the fun of it, I'm certainly not making money in it. I'm just preserving ag history when I pull out on the track with my old M and some old duffer tells his grandson that he remembers plowing 100 acres with an old M and a 3-14 plow.
Pulling started out in antique power shows and theres a reason for that. Just listening to those old roaring Farmalls and JD double thumpers is enough for me, pulling with them is an added bonus.

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richard

03-26-2001 14:51:44




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  

hey burns; my 820 has .125 over pistons in it. have been told where the exit gate is because of this. they tell me it isn't stock anymore. i guess if your tractor isn't smoking blue and blowing oil all over it isn't stock anymore.where do you draw the line at as far as a stock tractor.this is a good example of a pulling club putting on a pull and regulating it so a outsider can't pull because they know the outsider will probably kick there a-- out on the track. is this a thought or the truth. later

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DAVE

03-26-2001 16:08:48




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 Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to richard, 03-26-2001 14:51:44  
RICHARD, .125 OVER IS A LOT. FOR A STOCK REBUILD .010, OR .020, ORLETS GET RADICAL,.030,WOULD BE ALRIGHT FOR STOCK REBUILD..125,GET REAL RICH.YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALOT MORE DONE TO IT THAN YOU ARE LETTIN ON.YOU SEE, SOME CLUBS HAVE OTHER REQUIRMENTS,LIKE A PERSONALITY.(YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE).PERSONAL HYGENE,AND ....YOU SHOULD BE AT LEAST TALL ENOUGH TO SEE OVER THE BACK TIRE. LOLOLOLOLO..... ...STOP YOUR WHINING RICHIE,GO BACK TO MILWAKIE AND PUT YOUR MOMMIE'S SKIRT ON.THEY ARE TELLIN YOU TO GET FOR OTHER REASONS.COME CLEAN TELL ME MORE...I'M WAITIN.

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richard

03-26-2001 16:37:40




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 Re: Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to DAVE, 03-26-2001 16:08:48  

dave 820 has a 6.125 bore. that big of bore .090 probably would not clean up a bore that big. 820 pistons are sold in .090-.125 over. you obviously haven't worked on 2-cyls before. why don't you put your mailing address on here an i'll mail you a f----- passifier to suck on.



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DAVE

03-27-2001 14:34:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to richard, 03-26-2001 16:37:40  
YOUR RIGHT,I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JUNK.



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richard

03-27-2001 16:13:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to DAVE, 03-27-2001 14:34:10  
what type of tractor do you have? richard



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DAVE

03-28-2001 16:39:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to richard, 03-27-2001 16:13:43  
JOHN DEEREs hehehehehe.....



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DAVE

03-28-2001 16:39:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to richard, 03-27-2001 16:13:43  
JOHN DEEREs hehehehehe.....



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Greg H.

03-26-2001 06:08:57




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
I know what you are saying about the crowds, especially at the county fairs, where alot of people show up that know nothing about tractors,{specifically antiques}, and just want to see the smoke role,and the wheels spin. I personally don't mind people who don't pull stock,or soop up their favorite old, Iron. What I don't like is when they do all the modifications, just to later brag about how great there brand x tractor is compaired to your stock {fill in the brand tractor}, when the reality is they are comparing apples to oranges. I personally like stock, but I'm interested more in the tractors history, than it's Hp put out. Greg H.

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Gary

03-26-2001 02:55:46




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
I think you need to reconize the difference between full blown modified and useing a few after
market parts to improve the performance a moderate
amount.The future of antique pulling is with stock
and moderately modified tractors,not with the motor sport varity pretending to be antiques.We have the numbers to get rules passed,in most places real antique aren't organized enough yet.
Why would folks want to see fully modified "antiques" when they can go to a modern
tractor pull and see the the real thing,if its
speed and power you are looking to see?As far as
the bragging rights shirt is concerned,who cares
who wins between a Farmall and a John Deere,that
be like the NFL having a game at the end of the
season with the 2 teams with the worst records to
prove who really deserved to be in last place!

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burns

03-26-2001 03:59:54




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 Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to Gary, 03-26-2001 02:55:46  
Spoken like a true Non-red/green puller. HA HA. I can see your point Gary about extensive modifications as compared to a minor rebuild. But the problem arises with the grey area. At what point do you say your not stock enough to pull antique but the tractor really isn't built up enough for the open classes. I am sure that is how the different divisons were born but like you said a lot of the little once a year pulls don't have the organization to run the different divisions or they don't have the number of hooks to support the many different classes. A lot of pulls it is either stock or open with the owners determining, based on the honor system, which class they should be in. Should I pull my div II JD G with the div 1 tractors or should I pull with the div 4 iron. I don't know about you folks but if I am going to invest $100 a day in truck fuel, hook fees, organizational fees (gotta be a member to pull), and food, I'd like to try and leave with placing in a class or two. Who besides JT goes to a pull wishing to place last?

Hey Gary didn't you get the newsletter. They came out with the XFL for all of you non-red/green tractor pullers. You gotta love the cheerleaders in the hot tubs!! LOL

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Lee K.

03-25-2001 20:21:07




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
Have you seen the other bragging rights picture with the 856 and the 4020. The 856 is clearly winning in that one.



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burns

03-26-2001 02:56:04




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 Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to Lee K., 03-25-2001 20:21:07  
No I have not seen the other bragging rights. My point was more that our parents/grand parents were in the same brand war as pulling is in today. I was talking with a friend who I pull with. He was telling me about being DQ and asked to leave a pull because their 52 JD A outpulled the sled owners JD G. The exact reason for the DQ was "no JD A can out pull a G unless it has been worked over". Now there is loyality for you!!!

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Puller

03-25-2001 18:32:15




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 Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to burns, 03-25-2001 17:25:40  
In other motor sports, they call this "growing up" I suppose in a few years we will be pulling carbon fiber replicas with no JD,Case etc parts in them. A "Case" will be anything with sheet metal that kinda looks like a Case from the bleachers,etc. Only special rules will be if you want to pull a JD 2cyl look alike, special exhaust equipment will be required to get the putt putt sound. No S___ stirring this time Burns, nice post.

Puller

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Lynn

03-30-2001 22:52:58




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 Re: Re: To all the whiney non-Deere pullers in reply to Puller, 03-25-2001 18:32:15  
Put the stock pullers in one class and the modified pullers in another class and go have some fun. If a JD A beats a JD G then the A just had his weights and tire pressure set better than the G. Its not the tractor that wins, its the driver that sets his tractor up the best that wins.



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