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1963 MF 97 MM 705

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Why

12-26-2003 18:22:12




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Why are they allowing these and the G-VI to pull in 1958 and older. I don't think it is right or if they are going to let them in pull them in a 7500# and up. It is going to kill the 5500&6500# open any speed brush pulls no way a UB,M,88 or 560 can run with tractors like this. IF something is not done with NATPA and USAP it will be a Moline only tractor pull we need all makes. Just a wondering. Good Night.

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hammer

12-30-2003 18:08:33




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
i have taking a c301 ih motor and put it in a 560 and bet 88 oliver with motor in them over 10.000 in them i dont have that in all seven tractors of mine the hammer



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Also

12-28-2003 11:58:46




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
just thought i would add it wil also affect the 5000..unless Div. 5 has a rule against them droping that low???I have heard of two tractors with the 800HDthat can pull 5000....But i don't pull NATPA so it doesn't bother me...i actually like seeing tractors that do this...keeps people on their toes



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Red Wheels

12-27-2003 17:17:45




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
The big Moline 6 cylinder tractors are just plain the best in class 5 in that weight class and as long as the rules allow them they will be. There is nothing wrong with them now as the rules state and yes, nothing will compete that well against them. The smaller 6 cylinder tractors dominate in the 4500 class 5 just the same and alot of guys run the tractors they do because of how well they pull, not because they are their favorite brand.

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docjoe

12-27-2003 08:51:40




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
Why? Do people get on here and whine before they know the facts? Why do they always post anon?FYI the mf 95 was built in 58 it was a mm gbd with mf sheet metal mf super 95 mm gvi in 59. Gather the facts before you ask why? Try posting your real name you will be surprised most will politely correct you instead of bashing you.
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Art Arfons

12-26-2003 21:29:58




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
Did they make a Massey 95 in 1958? According to the HOOK magazine they did. (Pocket Change)



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David

12-26-2003 19:04:48




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 Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Why, 12-26-2003 18:22:12  
They are not letting MF 97 or MM 705's pull only MM G-VI and MF 95 and Super 95's. The year rule is '59 and older in Div.5.



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Diggie

12-27-2003 17:04:51




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 Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to David, 12-26-2003 19:04:48  
Its my understanding a Massey95 is an Oliver Super99 and Im not sure about the age Im pretty sure 58 and older is OK. If you can use an 800 and not get caught Duh!!!! instead of the detroit. But its still not right in my opion because im a 4 cylnder moline guy.



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docjoe

12-27-2003 18:29:56




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 Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Diggie, 12-27-2003 17:04:51  
Diggie the 95 mf was a gbd mm 6 cyl. The 98 mf was your detroit powered tractor like the 99 oliver. you being a mm guy you know how easy 800 mm parts fit your 4 cyl tractor whats your thoughts on that? I bet the IH Oliver and other small tractors in your area love to see a u mm roll in with these parts on them? docjoe



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Diggie

12-27-2003 19:35:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to docjoe, 12-27-2003 18:29:56  
I stand corrected and as far as changing parts around i think Moline is the leader in that field! and what makes you think Im running 800 parts? Im not. and we all know no matter what brand of tractor you run if a guy wins too mutch they change the rules. take Darrel Meese for example now the ATPA rules state no overhead cams. I enjoy the comments keepem coming! and as far as the IH and Oliver guys Im trying to do my part to beat them with non 800 parts and there mad anyway. LATER!

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1206SWMO

12-27-2003 17:40:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to Diggie, 12-27-2003 17:04:51  
MF 95 is the same thing as a GVI MM,both having a 425 cube MM engine.

98 MF is the same thing as a Super 99 Oliver,both 3-71 Detroit powered.

I hear that some of the 800 MM's are being took up to well over 1000 cubes.Its hard to beat cubic dollars.



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LarryW

12-28-2003 12:14:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-27-2003 17:40:24  
You said it RIGHT, hard to beat the cubic dollar!!



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David

12-27-2003 18:10:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-27-2003 17:40:24  
It doesn't take alot of dollars to make a 800 to 1000 cubes. No expensive sleeving just stroke and an overbore. But they can be taken ALOT bigger than 1000 cubes with the right amount of money!



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1206SWMO

12-27-2003 18:38:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to David, 12-27-2003 18:10:14  
I hear it would take nearly 60 grand to buy a certain 1500 cube MF 95.Dont quote me on that.



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Non-believer

12-28-2003 16:44:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-27-2003 18:38:45  
So just what the bore stroke and rod journal size of this 1500inch 6 cyl?I don't belive there is one in the country over 1400 inch please correct me,thanks



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RPM

12-28-2003 11:54:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-27-2003 18:38:45  
I also heard a certain DRAGON would have to have that to let it go.As a matter of fact i heard him price it



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A.P.

12-28-2003 03:10:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-27-2003 18:38:45  
The ease with which cubes can be built into these engines is why these tractors shouldn't be allowed below the 7-7500# class. It's not bad enough that they can just drop in an 800 cubic inch engine.

Has anybody really checked the rear end under some of the ultralight tractors? My guess is that you will not find a GVI rearend or axle housings on them. The same probably applies to other ultralight tractors.

The division 5 rules are badly in need of an overhaul. The 3500# class should be a place for the H/350 IH's, WC/WD/WD45's, etc. should be able to compete. The 88's, M's, etc. shouldn't be allowed below 4500. Take it on up the rest of the way.

My $.02

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farmall

12-28-2003 10:02:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to A.P., 12-28-2003 03:10:50  
Are you pulling div.5? if not than keep your thoughts YOUR thoughts! Div 5 is a place to run what you brung! Div 4 or less protects the classes. So whats the problem?



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What?????

12-28-2003 12:17:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM 705 in reply to farmall, 12-28-2003 10:02:48  
Run whatcha brung??? Yeah right!! If the rpms were opened up to4500 or 5000, than it would be a run it! kind of class, until then its a retarded big cube, big pocket book class, nothing more, nothing less, sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes!!



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David

12-28-2003 13:20:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM in reply to What?????, 12-28-2003 12:17:55  
That's all ANY antique class is about, big cubes and big dollars. You've got people building big stroke engines for div. 2 which was suppose to be for M&W kits and the likes. People with $20000 in a Div. 3 tractor just to run 3.5 MPH. If that's what they want, more power to them. People need to stop whining about Div. 5 and worry about they're own division, because the people who are complaining are certainly not Div. 5 pullers! Unless you have a horse in the race or a dog in the fight, stop trying to tell others how to pull in their Division.

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GOOD POINT--ALL SHOULD LI

12-28-2003 15:35:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 in reply to David, 12-28-2003 13:20:02  
I agree! We are trying to pull div 3! Just like you said, they are MANY $20,000 rigs in div 3!! Look at the results! Lots of div 4/5 guys over the years have come down to div 3 OR there are guys that want to pull div 3 with an enormous checkbook and will build 500 cube M Farmall and 450 plus cubes 88 olivers (and the list continues) to pull 3.5 mph!! STROKERS IN DIV 2 AND 1 !!!!! ! There are lots of problems in this world!

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Hpuller

12-30-2003 20:34:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 M in reply to GOOD POINT--ALL SHOULD LI, 12-28-2003 15:35:22  
Welcome to tractor pulling



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farmall

12-28-2003 14:18:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 in reply to David, 12-28-2003 13:20:02  
!!!!! !!!!!



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farmall

12-28-2003 12:58:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 MM in reply to What?????, 12-28-2003 12:17:55  
Can't stand the heat? Stay out of div 5!



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farmall2

12-28-2003 13:13:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1963 MF 97 in reply to farmall, 12-28-2003 12:58:50  
you're right!! sounds like the above BOYS have stuff that used to be good (?) open class tractors (div 4/5), can't compete anymore, and their wives won't let them spend anymore money!!!!! !!!!! HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA



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