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Dan S.

10-21-2001 14:24:55




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This year was the first time i have vere puled. I pulled my JD 4020 (stock) with 18.4-34 tires on it(loaded with caCl). I ahd no problems with power, but i need more grip. I got some help to get the weights on right so i would get the best traction, but my tires still didn't grip. They are old Stomils with more than 50% tread. When there was pressure on the tires they would squat down good, but as soon as they lost grip the would sit and spin with ease.
When i use this tractor for farm use it has poor grip too, whicjh is sometimes dangerous on my hilly farm. I am concidering getting new tires, and was looking for some input as to what would be the best tire to get for farm use and pulling, and if I should get new or try to find slightly used ones. I know that radials are best, but what kind ?? Thanks Dan

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Cookie

10-22-2001 09:45:43




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 Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-21-2001 14:24:55  
Firestone radails are the best.Had the same trouble with my 4020 and went to 20.8x34 this made all the difference in the world.



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Dan S.

10-23-2001 09:53:48




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 Re: Re: best tires.. in reply to Cookie, 10-22-2001 09:45:43  
do the 20.8s make that big of a difference? it wouldn't really cost me a lot more because i am also in need of new rims, they are old and rusted which keeps making the tube leak. would it be best to go with 18 inch rims, then I could use eithor 18.4 or 20.8 tires?? right now the rims are 16. Thanks



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Cookie

10-23-2001 16:36:22




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 Re: Re: Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-23-2001 09:53:48  
I have the 21 inch rims not loaded and can sneak into the 8500 class. The eng. has minor mods to allow me to keep work in the feild with no trouble. The old girl is putting out 124 hp, the pump has bigger springs, a 4240 cam,4240 intake manifold, and bigger valves, it has been like this for 11 years with no trouble. good luck



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oldman70

10-21-2001 17:54:13




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 Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-21-2001 14:24:55  
firestone 23 degree radials are the best tires ever to pull with!!!!!



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G Taylor

10-21-2001 16:55:54




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 Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-21-2001 14:24:55  
Check the Michelin, Goodyear & Firestone sites. Many people like the med & high grade Firestone radials. They maynot be legal for your pulling class however.Michelin make tires to fit any normal & odd size. If the 4020's front end was not bobbing into the air a couple of inches as she spun out, there was too much weight on the front or the drawbar was too short. Did you have the drawbar at max height legal for the class? Was the tractor at the max weight legal for the class? If tire pressure is too low the rear will squat & the sled weight will transfer off the drawbar & back onto the drag pan. The tractor will have less traction & a heavier load to pull. Stops them in a hurry.

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Dan S.

10-22-2001 08:57:24




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 Re: Re: best tires.. in reply to G Taylor , 10-21-2001 16:55:54  
For the majority of the pull the front end was just off the ground by about an inch, weight was at the max, drawbar at max height. The main reason I think that the tires are the problem is that once they start to spin, they do not grip or appear to grip at all. I was concidering Firestones, but was not sure what was concidered to be the best. There are no rules about tires where I pull(county fair), so i am not trying to turn my tractor into only a pulling tractor, but also a good farm tractor.

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G Taylor .Firestone ad blurb

10-22-2001 10:03:49




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 Re: Re: Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-22-2001 08:57:24  
For the tire lugs to bite into the track they have to stand perpendicular & not fold or roll back. The corner of the tread has to dig in. If the tire is under inflated or the lugs are tall as in new tires or rice tires they bend back on hard tracks. In the field in loose dirt is another story. Worn or cut tires win at the pulling track. The proper dry radials on your 4020 will out pull the current loaded tires while burning less fuel & increase crop yields with less soil compaction. Below is a copy of a wee bit of the Firestone site info

Good - Radial 23°
Premium features - economy price! R-1 Tread Depth 23° long bar/ long bar design - Even wear, long life, smooth ride, excellent traction Open-center tread bars - Aids cleaning & traction Bead & rim flange protector - Keeps stubble out, minimizes equipment downtime Better -Radial All Traction 23°
Premium tire and market leader! R-1 Tread Depth 23° long bar/ long bar design - Even wear, long life, smooth ride, excellent traction Open-center tread bars - Aids cleaning & traction Bead & rim flange protector - Keeps stubble out, minimizes equipment downtime Anti-vibration Tread Design Heavier Duty Lug Design Best - Radial DT 23°
Excellent for high HP tractors! R-1 Tread Depth 23° long bar/ long bar design - Even wear, long life, smooth ride, excellent traction Open-center tread bars - Aids cleaning & traction Bead & rim flange protector - Keeps stubble out, minimizes equipment downtime Anti-vibration Tread Design Heavier Duty Lug Design R-1W Premium tread depth for excellent wear

Good, Better, Best ... What's Right for You? Before you invest in a tire, take a close look at your operation and compare your needs to the performance of different Firestone models. For example, depending on your location, how a tire performs in loose soil may be most important to you. Or you may be more concerned about their wearability. We've rated our Good/Radial 23, Better/RAT 23 and Best/DTR 23 tire models for performance in several key areas to help you make the decision that's right for you. A higher or lower index rating shows what you can expect from your purchase. For more information about Firestone tire performance, talk to your Certified Firestone Dealer.

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Ryan Teach

10-21-2001 16:53:08




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 Re: best tires.. in reply to Dan S., 10-21-2001 14:24:55  
I live on a orchard, which is extreemly hilly! We also have the problem of sliding in our rows with the tractor. We use 3 John Deere orchard 8500 orhard versions. I also pull a John Deere G. At the orchard, for our tractors we use a Fire Stone "clay bear" they are amazing in slippry condtions in our hilly orchards!

good luck



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JDGnut

10-23-2001 17:56:04




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 Re: Re: best tires.. in reply to Ryan Teach , 10-21-2001 16:53:08  
Just remember that lots of new tires are too soft for tractor pulling.. I know U are not pulling all the time, but maybe a set of used tires would work better. the new tires tend to peel off the front edge of the lugs.. Good luck
JDGnut



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