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DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ?

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DIV III PULLER

01-20-2004 11:32:53




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What does everyone think about raising the RPM limit for DIV III at the NATPA events? I was thinking it would be nice if it was 20% over so the guys pulling DIV III and DIV IV didn't have to try and adjust RPM between classes or run at a disadvantage. I really don't see a safety issue with this and thought it also might help some of the lower geared or smaller motor tractors.




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Wild Horses

01-22-2004 10:26:51




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 Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III PULLER, 01-20-2004 11:32:53  
It seems to me like you guys are making it to complicated. We run 4 classes. Farm stock, antique & classic low gear, & Open gear. If a guy wants to run in a class, then he can do whatever fits into the rules (RPM, tires, etc.) But if he chooses to only run 110% RPM or example in the Classics classes that's his choice. Just so he knows everyone else may run 130%. Sometimes he still wins, sometimes he doesn't.
Rules should dicate the tractors. The tractors shouldn't dicate the rules.
You guys are complaining about Div 4's dropping to Div 3. If he can fit under Div 3 rules, isn't that a Div 3 tractor also running in Div 4?

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01-22-2004 10:46:11




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 Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to Wild Horses, 01-22-2004 10:26:51  
A true Div III tractor that fits under Div III rules would not be competitive in Div IV for most cases. There are rare occasions, track conditions make a difference and sometimes just dumb luck. I agree with your point, is it hypocrocy for a Div III tractor to run in Div IV? If we are going to stop one division from dropping to another, then we need to do it all across the board even if that prevents a tractor from moving up a division during a season. On occasion, and I speak for myself also, a puller will get a wild hair and see how competitive he is in the next division up. In my case, it brings me down to reality in a hurry. That is the true fun of pulling however. Dropping a division to win indicates that the year end plaque and jacket make your mind function. Pulling use to be a hobby and social event. Our local club is also struggling with loosing the competitiveness and having fun again. As I said in a post below. There is not a foreseable solution. It is nice to have a rational discussion however and maybe make a few logical points to someone who might take interest.

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01-21-2004 15:54:40




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 Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III PULLER, 01-20-2004 11:32:53  
Turn them up? Wouldn't you blow the horn a little faster? Can a Div III tractor compete with a Div IV tractor? Most can't. Unless your one who built a Div IV tractor to pull in Div III. Do you think you are at a disadvantage in Div IV because you don't have time to turn up your RPM's? If so, it seems your priority is winning Div IV. Pull there.



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DIV III Puller

01-22-2004 05:31:00




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 Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to ?, 01-21-2004 15:54:40  
Really I was thinking it would help some of the smaller motors that have to run a lower gear or smaller tires and can't set the buzzer off. I really don't see an issue with a tractor that can pull both divisions. If someone wants to run an open class for fun or competitively then run a speed limit class it doesn't bother me at all. The speed limit class is going to be fair to everyone in it regardless of horse power.

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farmall 460

01-28-2004 18:07:32




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 Re: Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III Puller, 01-22-2004 05:31:00  
Can I bring a div.5 tractor and pull against div.3, and div.4 if I keep rpm's down. and what about a div. 2 that can also pull div. 5



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01-22-2004 07:15:55




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 Re: Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III Puller, 01-22-2004 05:31:00  
I did not mean to come across nasty. However, there seems to be an issue arising with NATPA that no one seems to care enough about to stop. You are correct, speed limit levels the playing field in Div III. My issue is with the Div IV tractors that have pulled Div IV since they started (example 39 JD G) but suddenly are pulling DIV III and dominating. History shows that they can't cut it in DIV IV. Is that right? Maybe, but it makes for a sour day. It also has started a trickle down effect. This year there are several Div III tractors pulling in Div II 4000. Will that continue to carry on? Can a Div II tractor then move down to Div I? Back to your original thought. Will it really help the low HP motors with smaller tires? Sure they might be able to turn the tires a little faster. Won't that result in them powering out sooner? Hp still needs to be a factor in the equation.

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farmall

01-22-2004 11:48:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to ?, 01-22-2004 07:15:55  
If you look at the NATPA rules for div 3 and div 4 the only difference is in rpm's and carburator, manifolds. If you take an old div 4 tractor and put the right manifold and carb. on it and run 110% rpm's that is perfectly legal. And it will not dominate the class. If for some reason the puller is good and lucky, right away pullers are whining that the tractor is in the wrong class. You would be better off concentrating on YOUR tractor and YOUR setup. All one needs is enough power to maintane 3.5 mph. Any power in access is wasted, and could possibly hurt you. The puller that matches his or her power to traction will generaly win. So if you have to much power, you will most often spin out, before the puller that is working his engine fore all it is worth.

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DIV III PULLER

01-22-2004 07:47:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to ?, 01-22-2004 07:15:55  
I agree with the trickle down theory, but that has happened in a lot of associations not just NATPA. If you are no longer competive in a division you move down. Of course that is why I stick with speed limit classes and always have. I always feel like I have a good chance to be competitive. I just thought the RPM's being aloud to be higher might help level the DIV III playing field a little more.

I'm just happy to see some DIV III discussion on here!!!!

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01-22-2004 10:30:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III PULLER, 01-22-2004 07:47:29  
It IS nice to have a rational discussion about Div III. There are definitely some tractors that would benefit by increasing RPM's others would suffer. I don't have a problem trying something new. There is quite a bit of differnce in a tractor built for Div III versus Div IV. Ci. is the main one. For instance most Div III tractors run around 300 ci +/-. Remember I said most. It is not rocket science to know that a 700+ ci motor is going to dominate. Does a 700 + ci. motor use a stock or replacement carb with no modifications? It is the little things that slip by tech committee when a tractor drops a divison that causes the trickle down effect. There is no way to solve the problem. I wouldn't want the job of the tech committee. I wonder if anything real can be accomplished at an annual meeting without whinning and finger pointing. Who knows? Are things going to change next year with a new board?

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farmall

01-21-2004 16:53:53




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 Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to ?, 01-21-2004 15:54:40  
Ahmen



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I Think

01-20-2004 13:07:22




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 Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to DIV III PULLER, 01-20-2004 11:32:53  
I thought the idea of having different divisions was to have them some what different from each other. Division three is just a practice class for division 4 now. NATPA is so screwed up now I guess it wouldn't make any difference . All the division three tractor are pulling in division two because the division four tractors are pulling in division three and on and on it goes. If NATPA wants to survive (successfully) It will only allow each tractor to pull one division only. Until they do it will stay just as screwed up as it is today.

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Wondering

01-22-2004 12:27:03




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 Re: Re: DIV III RPM LIMIT RAISE ? in reply to I Think, 01-20-2004 13:07:22  
How about the guy who pulled div. 2 on fri. at Wausen Oh. then pulled his desiginated 3250 div. 3&IV class on sat, placing at the top of both classes. Whats that all about?



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