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burns

11-19-2001 20:28:14

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Do your clubs have rules governing a year or model that is used for a cutoff in the antique classes. Most of the pulls in this part of the world are either stock or open.

The IH 560 boys are voicing their opinion to include them in the antique class. I don't want this to turn into a red vs green because a good many of the boys who are against the change are the M, M-TA pullers. A factory M vs. factory 560 isn't what you would call equal starting points.

Just wondered what you other folks thought.

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11-23-2001 17:26:16

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

Age of a tractor does not make it pull better or worse than another. We have all seen a given tractor on a given day win. Take the rules that are given and read closely. I pull JD.

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Big Red 1

11-22-2001 15:34:48

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

I am an antique puller from Kentucky. I pull a 560 gas. I know that it is unfair to compare an M Farmall to a 60 series tractor, but it is also unfair to compare a M Farmall to a 6 cylinder Oliver or a 6 cylinder Cockshutt. You all know the old saying "What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander." What I mean is that if you don't want to let the 60 series tractors pull, that you need to make a class where the 6 cylinder tractors like the Olivers and the Cockshutts will have to pull against other 6 cylinder tractors. In our club the cutoff year is 59' and there are several 60 series tractors that pull. We have hardly no complainers. I mean if your like alot of us, we get together and pull just to have a good time. Not to act like cry babys and sore loosers. Respectfully submitted

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ken

11-23-2001 18:48:01

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Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to Big Red 1, 11-22-2001 15:34:48

So you want to cut me off with my 1941 70 RC Oliver. But I do understand what you mean but it is not how many pistons you have

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GEO

11-22-2001 08:10:57

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

IN VIRGINIA The cutoff for most clubs is 1959, but also some of the clubs run 3 diffeent classes 1940 and older, 1941 to 1954, and 1955 to 1959.Seems to work OK.

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frank

11-21-2001 17:30:11

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

If one can stroke an M why can't he pull a 560?

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joecool

11-20-2001 16:07:37

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

down here in the south, almost all the places we pull, ms,tenn, ga, fla, la, ala, use 1960 as the cut off year. I have saw a few later(mid 60's) slip in. no one has checked serial numbers, it is a self governoring bunch, and although we pull against alot of M's, 450's and others, i have yet had the pleasure of pulling against a 560. Lawerenceburg tennessee has a class that goes up to modern day.

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burns

11-21-2001 09:29:15

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Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to joecool, 11-20-2001 16:07:37

This past season was the first year for the new rules for our farm stock class. Basically the new rules allow for any year tractor that is naturally aspirated. Apparently there were some locals that wanted to pull their new iron. Ironic part was that not many of them actually showed up to pull.

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Gary

11-20-2001 13:13:08

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

1959 is the year of choice for most pulls in VA I
think this is a good stopping point,in 1959 there
were no factory turbos, GM diesels have mechanical blowers,no differential lock that I'm
aware of except the David Brown and they need all
the help they can get.Also I feel whatever the cutoff year it should say all models that were started before XXXX year. Example the 560 models were started in 1958 if the cutoff is 1959 then all 560 tractors should be able to pull even if say its a 1961.

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Jeff

11-20-2001 04:18:44

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

Here in northeastern Maryland cut off is 1959 so you can pull a 560 here

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D dude

11-22-2001 07:29:35

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Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to Jeff, 11-20-2001 04:18:44

In kentucky its either 59 or 60 depending where you pull at.

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3010puller

11-20-2001 17:00:11

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Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to Jeff, 11-20-2001 04:18:44

We have the same problem up here in the Midwest, I have a John Deere 3010 Diesel, and the cut off for Antique pulling is 1961, the 2 cylinder die hards are excited to see a differ JD pull but the IH guys absolutly hate me pulling with a passion, they think it is fair for them to pull there 560's and hate to see a tractors of the same calibur pulling against them. I think all the guys with 560 are losers and think that is fair for them to pull against the classic Farmall M's and JD G's. So when JD 3010, 4010's came into the scene in antique tractor pulling they cry. ALL GUYS WITH 560's SHOULD REALIZE THAT IT IS A UNFAIR PULL WHEN ALL U PULL AGAINST IS TRACTORS FROM THE FORTYS AND FIFTYS. MOVE OVER 560 boys THE 4010's and 3010's are comeing to clean house and kick some 560 @$$

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TP from Central PA

11-21-2001 19:35:37

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Re: Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to 3010puller, 11-20-2001 17:00:11

I know of some M's and 400/450's that can run up there with the 560's. I don't thing you have a right to call everyone with a 560 a Loser. I know of a guy with a 560 with a D282 that could walk all over a 4010, we put all the weight we had for our transfer sled on, and he STILL PULLED IT OUT OF THE PARK, my neighbors 756(with a German Diesel) couldn't even run with it, by the way all the GREEN guys made fun of him, but I didn't see any of 'em back up their big mouth!

No color wars intended, just speaking my peace!

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G Taylor

11-20-2001 22:56:00

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Re: Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to 3010puller, 11-20-2001 17:00:11

A little ribbing is OK but those statements were trying to start a colour war. Back it off a little. 59 or 60 seems to be the cut off year most common in Ontario.

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Glenn

11-20-2001 03:57:05

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

I pull with the Central Md. Antique tractor club, our cut off is 1955

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11-19-2001 20:51:59

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Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to burns, 11-19-2001 20:28:14

Antique classes here are 1938 and before. Classic starts at 1939, and up to and including 1952. Some around have a farm class that starts at 1953, and goes to and includes 1958. In that class any tractor that was a continuance of that model is accepted, example, 460's, 560's, 620's, 720's, 630's 730's, and so on. Seems to work decent.

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Gary M

11-20-2001 12:04:20

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Re: Re: Cut off year for antique in reply to DP, 11-19-2001 20:51:59

i have seen a bunch of different cut-off dates. someone should step up with a standard. years ago i rebuilt a 460, rebuilt the TA, and put in a new clutch. with new rubber on it, i would have to say it wouldnt be fair to put it with the A and other 50s tractors, this thing was a incredibly powerful machine, wish my brother still had it. we never lugged that machine with any implement we could find for it. what killed it was loaning it out. the guy hooked the pto to a irrigation pump, and a 100 gallons of gas and left for the weekend. apparently there is no mechanism to sling oil onto the pto brgs during pto only mode.
and it smoked everything related, that engine never missed a lick, was still spinning the mangled shaft the following monday. jerk wouldnt pay for his damages, and we didnt have the cash to fix it, so we eventually sold it for salvage.

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