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the beginings ?

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mad matt

05-08-2004 18:57:44




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when did all the antique start ? I'm just curious hen I was a kid back in the late 70's and early 80's Iuse to go to the pulls with my dad it was all super stocks and modifides I remember E.J. Potter with those ugly allison powered machines I used to love the sound of them awesome machines run sounding like those beautiful P-38's{Iused to study WWII air craft espcialy the pacific theater read about pilots like Richard Bong 40+ kills Thomas McGwyer 38 kills in those P-38"s}to things I loved back then was the tractor pulls and sprint cars used to go with my dad and we would get the quarterly issues of pulling power and open wheel in the old pulling power mags I never saw anything on farm and antique pulling and both my grand dads were farmers and I never heard about it from them so what started all this how long has people building engines cutting tires ? when Ilived Wisconsin Iuse to go to the mackville nationals where I wold take the welding truck up there and work friday and saturday nights and then go and watch the antiques pull there where I met chad from z&z seemed like the rules were a little more open then here in michigan always wanted to go to tomah but had grandon that weekend so Inever went is micchigan behind every body else inthe rule department just curiuos enough of my babbling now would like to here thou
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Bus Man

05-09-2004 11:29:19




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 Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-08-2004 18:57:44  
I don't know where antique pulling really got started. The first pulls I attended were at the county fair in Mason, Michigan back in the 50's. They had fence posts in the ground at a set distance apart (10 Ft.?) and there were a group of men, kids, at each post. The tractor started at one end pulling a stone boat, as it went by the fence post all the people at the post jumped on the stone boat. This went on until the tractor would not go any further. The longest pull won. As I grew older I pulled in a few pulls with my dad's unstyled G using a transfer sled. I didn't know beans about pulling and never did very well. I loved watching the pulls and went every year. It was in the early sixties that I saw the first "modified tractor". The owner of the local elevator showed up with an Oliver that he had installed a turbo on. He could only pull exibition but he blew every buddy away. If any of you remember an AC named "Mean 'ol Allis", it grew up in Mason. I saw it pull when it was a "stock" tractor. From then on we had E.J., modifieds, turbines, we even had steam engines and tank retrievers from the National Guard. It was a fun time. Now I've started pulling antiques (the same kind of tractors I pulled as a kid) and having fun doing it.

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Margaret Birney

12-25-2005 08:30:26




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 Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to Bus Man, 05-09-2004 11:29:19  
Hi Bus Man

who are you? I'm from Mason, too, and have lots of tractor pulls, including those early ones where the weight was provided by men jumping onto the boat as it was pulled down the track.



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DP

05-09-2004 07:21:42




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 Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-08-2004 18:57:44  
I attended my first pull as a puller in 1966. That was the old stump pull sled. There was a lot of work went into those pulls. These pulls included anyone that wanted to bring a tractor. The first pulls I remember were around 60 or 61. There were probably pulls before that, but I don't know about them. The old stump pulls took a lot of time, as some tractors would make several hooks before they were stopped by the sled.

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ChadS

05-09-2004 07:44:05




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 Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to DP, 05-09-2004 07:21:42  
You know, there is a part of history, many pullers, dont know about, that is deadweight pulling, or stoneboat may be a more popular term. That has been going on for decades. Probably, the original method to the modern transfer sleds of today. funny thing is on deadweight pulling, you dont get a running start, you either moved it, or you are done. Dead weight pulling has livened back up in this area, it seems to be a new craze again. I agree, it does take forever and a day to put one on, and it does take an incredible effort to host one. Last year, we went to a dead weight pull, showed up at noon, did not pull until 10 pm, and was put out at 1 am, went home, slept, came back the next morning to pick up the tractor, and it was still going on!! ChadS

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DP

05-09-2004 11:47:36




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 Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to ChadS, 05-09-2004 07:44:05  
What were your rules? Here the driver hooked to the sled, and 3' to qualify as a pull, or 27 1/2' for a full pull, and move to the other end of the sled to add more weight and go again. 500# was the least, or more if the puller wanted more. Old raw brute strength was what it took. Many a pull started at one in the afternoon, and were still going on at 3 or 4 the next morning.



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ChadS

05-10-2004 05:38:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to DP, 05-09-2004 11:47:36  
It is quite different,, we only pull 100 inches for a full pull. This is on asphalt, the lanes can range from 10 ft, to 22 ft wide, 2 attempts to move the boat, best percentage wins. only rules are that they have to have a 20 in high drawbar, hook point,, there is no specs. No rpm limit, no tire size limit, duals are allowed, any year, any tractor up to 15000 lbs. the classes are 0-5500. 5501-8500, 8501-15000 lb. Chad

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ChadS

05-09-2004 05:30:36




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 Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-08-2004 18:57:44  
It is a wondering question all over the world. I know I can't answer it! LOL Our area, Northeren Indiana, has always been a pulling orented community. These days, I can look north, south east and west, and there is a pull within 25-30 miles from here during the summer. When I was a kid, and yes, I do feel I am still wet behind the ears some times, I grew up watching the "BICOUNTY CLASSIC" In Rochester Indiana. Seen alot of pullers come and go over the years. I remeber seeing Banters over there a few times, How about the famous, "Pete, Repeat, and 3Pete" Oliver 88 prostocks, they were there on a regular basis when a pull was held at Rochester, Infact, at the time, they were unstoppable! I would say that was around 1982 or 83 in there. Area Fair grounds had competed for who could put on a bigger pull vs Rochester, but alas, Rochester, hands down. They had everything there, from stocker, to super stock, semis, pickups. These days now, they have diesel truck pulls, still have the tractors, trucks, but no semis. Rochester was the first time I had seen the "Liberty Belle" semi puller. Ol Ernie Metzger trucking from Silver Lake Indiana owned it, and the family still does, and have a few others. One particular year, Metzgers built another rig, named the General Lee. Painted up just like the ol general from the Dukes of Hazzard. big 01 on the door, flag on the roof, it was awesome. anyways, they had the Challenger sled there, at that time it was a new sled. General took off, and was moving kinda slow down the track, and then the driver turns it loose bout mid way down the track, about 290 ft, they still couldn't stop it, and then the chain broke off the sled. Talk about going out the end in a hurry!!! but he did shut it down in time. Then, there was the "Super Ford" and Super Ford 2. Super ford was a 77 F-250, green paint scheme, and had what is called a Cammer engine, Later I learned it was a rare double overhead cammed engine, in 10 years of pulling, I only seen him win once! But when he did, the crowd loved it, he was the local hero there. the next one built the super ford 2, a 37?? Ford 2wd mod puller. one of the most awesome pullers there at the time. you could hear that truck run down the track 2 miles away! Seen some good tractors there too!! An old Case, a 730 model, called the Pouncer. Had a big Marathon emblem on the side curtain, I think he was from Winamac Indiana, he was another regular there at Rochester, he took about 5 minutes to get her revved up, for some reason, it took about 5 cans of either to get it to rev up, when it did lite up, and get going, it was going out the gate, and a large red flame out of the stack about 12 inches high, you could see it plain as day in the daylight, and was beautiful at the night show. If you ask me, Indiana has alot of history in this sport of pulling, antique,, to mods, some Hoosier had their hands in them! LOL! We have a small town just south of here, Roann, Indiana, famous for the Covered Bridge, and the Covered Bridge festival, and they have always had some kind of tractor pull there. A good family freind says, that his dad pulled there, his grandad pulled there too! Said, 1947 was the first pull held there at the festival, it was a deadweight pull in the middle of a field. So where it started, and where it will end, all I can hope, is that all of the family traditions passed down from father to son, or daughters, or in my case, my mother pulled too! It all will continue, for all time, and forever. if the technology is like this today, wait another 20 years to see where it goes from here!! Sorry for the long post, way too many memories! LOL ChadS

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mad matt

05-09-2004 06:41:24




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 Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to ChadS, 05-09-2004 05:30:36  
yep I seen the Liberty Bell up in mackville those semis are cool to watch that was the first I had seen them was up there when I was a kid we went to the Pontiac Silverdome to wstch pull I rember the Banter Bros. Iremember a 6 engined tractor with the driver sitting over the front axle and my dad saying that must be one hell've ride on that contraption but E.J. was my favorite I just love here those big allisons raise holy hell go down the track! and the county fair had real good show but Inever heard about the antiqur till 1998 when I worked for a guy that dabbled into it and my next door neighbor{IH} started fooling with it about the same time thats kinda how I got started in this 1999 for alittle bit and then moved to Wiscosin for personal reasons and to work on a PRO-4 CORR truck came back after 2002 race season to the land of my birth fired up the old m and went playing around it kinda fills the gap being away from racing motorsports is a little bit of an addiction ya know

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a puller

05-10-2004 20:07:35




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 Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-09-2004 06:41:24  
where are some pulls you go to here in michigan...and what do you pull? I will watch for ya at some pulls....



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mad matt

05-11-2004 19:57:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to a puller, 05-10-2004 20:07:35  
hey a puller a loud ugly single front M farmall I usualy pull at Clintonia or Hubbardston don't know how much I am gonna pull this year I have a portable welding bussiness and starting to get real busy I'm in my second year and things are starting to take off a bit and I needto pour more money back in to it to get more equipment and set my truck up better



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ChadS

05-10-2004 05:43:32




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 Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-09-2004 06:41:24  
Did you know, that the Liberty Belle used to be a circle track racer before it was a puller? Back in the 70's, they raced it all around, Atlanta, Bonneville, California, etc etc. Imagine a semi racing round the track at over 125mph!! If you watch Smokey and the Bandit part 3, in the beginning of the movie, they are racing trucks, and you see the Liberty Belle racing in the background! ChadS



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IH

05-09-2004 09:47:44




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 Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to mad matt, 05-09-2004 06:41:24  
Yes, I agree 200% that it is an addiction, but a good one. I just wish it could stay simple and that anyone of any caliber or money situation could stand a chance to play at this hobby with everyone else and keep it fun. The clubs I have been pulling with have alot of good people, but some are pulling away from the original structure of these clubs. I don't have a problem with guys expanding these clubs, but they need to remember where it started from.

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Mopower

05-11-2004 09:12:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to IH, 05-09-2004 09:47:44  
Understood IH. We don't intend on getting away from the roots. our bread and butter classes are not tampered with. Didn't mean to get your dander up.



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ChadS

05-10-2004 05:44:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: the beginings ? in reply to IH, 05-09-2004 09:47:44  
Well said. it all starts from someone, somewhere.



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