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Hard Block ,Little Water,HOT Fast

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Dave S

07-07-2004 04:11:10




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I recently purchased a 42 DC Case puller with 4 5/8 bore stock stroke and hard block up to the bottom of the water pump. The DC's water pump more or less stirs the water istead of pushing it so it gets hot pretty fast. It'll be one of those tractors you hook, pull, and shut off. Going to dyno today and use infared temp gun on the block to moniter temp. Has anyone ever drilled and tapped a hole in the back of the block and used some kind of pump to push water through it to help cool rear block and head? Any ideas? Dave S

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ChadS

07-08-2004 08:28:34




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 Re: Hard Block ,Little Water,HOT Fast in reply to Dave S, 07-07-2004 04:11:10  
What does the plugs look like when you run it for a while under a load? Fuel being way too lean will cause the engine to get hot faster, it may not the exact problem but will help. How much water/coolant does the system hold?? I am not sure what the fan looks like in a DC, but maybe you could find a fan blade with more blades on it to pull more air through the radiator. Or add a electric fan in front of the radiator under the grille if there is enough room to fit one. I never had alot of problems with bored stroked engines getting hot, on or off the dyno, the hottest my big H runs is 150. Here is a few things to check for that may be causing heat to build faster..
Incorrect ignition timing, if it labors alot,, kinda like a car idling in gear,,, (sound) you may need to back it off a bit. Fuel too lean. even though lean conditions make good power, it creates heat, because the fire is hotter inside the cyl, more fuel will "Cool" it down a bit, while under a load.
too big of intake manifold and carb
when you was tellng us of the homemade intake, the heat exchange you described about carb icing, you may have a vacuum leak somewhere, especally if the plugs are white, or grey in color, that will cause it to heat up quite a bit!! ChadS

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Dave S

07-08-2004 20:01:34




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 Re: Re: Hard Block ,Little Water,HOT Fast in reply to ChadS, 07-08-2004 08:28:34  
Chad, After dyno pulls we got it tuned and new plugs were a coco brown color. The DC water pump only moves .25 gpm. Not very aggressive. Today I installed a 12 volt pump between the radiator and block leading to stock pump. Take a look at Tom's DC and you'll see what I mean. The electric pump moves 1.8 gpm which dosen't seem like much but thats 7 times the stock one! Now when you look in the radiator you can see the water moving. I plan on removing the water pump this winter and blocking it off and put a 3/4 fitting on the bottom of the radiator and block and get a inline water pump from Jegs, 5.5 gpm and an electric fan. Dave S

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Big Slim

07-08-2004 06:38:21




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 Re: Hard Block ,Little Water,HOT Fast in reply to Dave S, 07-07-2004 04:11:10  
Dave, Harbor frieght and Northern Tool both have 12 volt transfer pumps that will do what you want to do.
I run mine in line with the stock water pump because the rules say that the stock fan has to be functioning. I drillrd and tapped for 1/2 inch pipe threads on the discharge side of the stock water pump and ran heater hose to the back of the head with the 12 v. pump mounted in line. You will have to get into the water jacket of the head in some fassion. I removed a freeze plug and tapped it with pipe threads, but I have seen them just drill into the water jacket.
Installing a 12 volt pump and a electric fan will go a long way in helping you cool your motor. Remember that heat will do gobbs of damage to your engine if you let it.
Just my humble ideas and opinions.
Good luck and BE SAFE!!
Big Slim

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T-Rex

07-07-2004 06:06:14




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 Re: Hard Block ,Little Water,HOT Fast in reply to Dave S, 07-07-2004 04:11:10  
Well, not on a pulling engine, but in our monster trucks they are filled to the surface and we use an electric pump to make coolant flow through the heads. Chad



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