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richard

07-09-2004 09:52:08




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is it legal to run 85% blended fuel in div. 3. my tractor runs good on it but i have had other pullers ask me why my fuel smells funny.




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Lee

07-10-2004 22:50:16




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 Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to richard, 07-09-2004 09:52:08  
All rich wanted was an answer but chad and his buddy had to act retarded.you guys ruin pulls for everybody all you do is cry . grow up rules suck but there has to be some law n order . if not guys like you would hurt somebody



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ChadS

07-11-2004 06:58:10




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 Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Lee, 07-10-2004 22:50:16  
Let me tell you something, in 14 years of active tractor pulling in antiques, I have seen some stupid stuff with fuel, if you think that ethanol is bad, you better go buy a diesel car, cause your gas burner has it in it!! if you buy it from the pump! Ya know what, DQ!!!! If you think that is crying, well then waaaaa !!! How about the puller that goes crazy at one of the pulls cause he got throwed out for running pump gas? Stupidity gets people hurt, why not talk about something you know something about. ChadS

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leland

07-11-2004 16:46:11




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 Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to ChadS, 07-11-2004 06:58:10  
Chad you could use some intense therapy. You can see the anger in your notes here,I never knocked alcohol fuel . I use it every chance I can and like it. Its all the bickering people do at pulls now,90%of pullers are decent people but that other 10%that I could outpull with a peddle tractor , is what I am sick of whining that someone is a cheater.there is always a few but most people are honest. And I always felt the ones accusing people of cheating were the biggest ones out there!!!

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ChadS

07-11-2004 20:41:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to leland, 07-11-2004 16:46:11  
Then why is these rules going into effect? Yeah I could use the therapy,, but the shrink may get sick of hearing about antique tractor pullin politics!! LOL!!! Anger ,,, no, passion yes, someone calls me a cheater just because I use a fuel that is not allowed on a national circuit, is ludacris!! that stirs it up. Most times, it is the bickering, and accusations of successful individuals that just does not add up. We did the hard way, we were and still are a strong pulling team, we did it all ourselves, and got bashed! we do have some difference of opinion,, but still go in the same direction, just a different angle. it comes down to expereince and the passion to keep it alive. I admit, I dont know it all, but what I do know to be a proven fact, I will dispute it! Now yes I bashed you, but it makes no sence,, obviosly, you may be a contributing factor in antique pulling,, I take an engine builder, or such,, Me, I am not much of a builder,, more of a fuel and ignition technition. I know what works on the dyno, any engine, any fuel, any condition. braggin a bit on my part,, yep, I worked for it, made mistakes, and made the best results, heck the dyno dont lie, the numbers go up, and that is all that matters in what I do. If I offended you, I apologize, From me to you, accept it or not, it is my back yard they are talking about, and nothing, that has came out of this small Indiana shop is junk, or a cheating factor in active pulling today. ChadS

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leland

07-11-2004 21:12:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to ChadS, 07-11-2004 20:41:00  
Chad don't worry its takes a lot to upset me. Rules in my mind are for the local favorites, and to hurt the strangers. I've seen it happen more than once, at some of these county fairs. I have seen people disqualifed because of fuel, but a local that bought gas at the same station allowed to pull. so good luck and many full pulls



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Andy

07-10-2004 20:34:03




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 Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to richard, 07-09-2004 09:52:08  
I don't want to get into rules or legality but We ran E-85 blended 50/50 with pump gas on a high compression MM. It ran and lugged very well. It was a lot cheaper ,(and we thought better) than race fuel. you may need to open your jets a bit.



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FARMALL

07-09-2004 11:58:33




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 Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to richard, 07-09-2004 09:52:08  
Alcohol is heavier than gasoline. Div 3 NATPA rules are .750 specific gravity max. It also says no alchol. So no it would not be legal under
eather of these rules. Farmall



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CHADS

07-10-2004 06:15:23




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 Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to FARMALL, 07-09-2004 11:58:33  
Are you sure the rule makers are not talking about methanol mixtures? Sure is awful quick to knock ethanol out. I can show you a mixed fuel with ethanol, that will pass a sniffer test, gravity test too. And it is sold from a FARM fuel distribution center. Shoot, if ethanol is out, that throws out anyone using pump gas with ethanol added!! If you throw pump gas out, what can ya run? water? another dumba$$ rule for nothing. Support your local farmer!! Pulling came from the fields first! Chad

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OldPuller

07-10-2004 10:35:33




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 Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to CHADS, 07-10-2004 06:15:23  
Poor cry baby chad. Can't make any power with out his cheating fuel.

The sled too heavy, the weigth class is too heavy, I can't use ethonal. What's the next thing you are going to cry about?



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mad matt

07-10-2004 20:31:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to OldPuller, 07-10-2004 10:35:33  
what's your problem with methyl or ethyl it's more stable than gas you ever seen some of crashes at Indy where Eddie Sachs and Vuky Sr. died in big fire ball I personally do not like gas wish everything was deisel or alky . alky is clean you can run more compression it runs cooler and a lot better for air quality no cabon monoxide and you can puy it out wtth water ands cheaper makes a lot of sence to spend 3 to 4 dollar a gallon to go pull with sounds like your the only one cryin' some of us would like to see supporting farmers a little more

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Shutt30

07-10-2004 12:40:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to OldPuller, 07-10-2004 10:35:33  
Some of you guys will find anything to #itch about! How is ethonal an illegal fuel? You know when they made that rule they ment methonal alcohol, not a factory blended for less emissions everyday fuel like ethonal. Boy, everyone sure likes to call someone else a cheater. I don't know the specific gravity of ether ethonal or E-85 but I would not call them race fuels. I plan to try E-85 in my new tractor. Will never have to worry about water in the gas again.

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ChadS

07-10-2004 20:59:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Shutt30, 07-10-2004 12:40:44  
There is not a darn thing wrong with Ethanol. Shoot, every where you go, it is at the pumps, where ever the average joe buys everyday gasoline!!! So, if what the rules is saying is right,, average, oridinary, 10% ethanol blended fuel is ilegal in div 3, or any class what so ever!! U guys must think we fell off the turnip truck or something,,, what is it that everyone is so afraid of??? technology??? Darn, if I made a rule, just to be picky and stupid, it sure would not be against pump gas. I mean, geesh, I would love to see the hydrometer they use to detect ethanol in fuel!! Methanol, yes, can be detected, it separates from any fossil fuel, unless it is synthetic!! Ethanol, blends right in with average gasoline!! You guys go ahead and call me cheater, our club rules say no methanol mixtures, not ethanol, so bite me! That is he way it was meant to read, and even in the nationals, it was meant that way. Even though the rule was copied from the 1800'S!!! You national rules commitee really need educated on fuel. The rules said 750 gravity. Now you change it again, just cause you think u can change the words around any way you choose. Well, F U on that. you made the 750 gravity rule, and said no alcohol, and meant methanol as the ingredient to be ileagal. So why pick on pump gas????? ? Aint cheating till you get it proved to your eyes in front of a crowd, who sees the truth. Rules committe,,,, please,,, you could not tell the difference between the 2 fuels in question, straight, or blended so dont give me that crap ever again. Farmall, if you ever tried the stuff you would be amazed, but no, you go with that ol fashoined attitude, ban it, it is only pump gas!! farm fuel in my case. If you were any kind of fuel specialist, you would know that!! Cheaters,,, they never lie,, they out pull you!!!!! ! HA!! We do it the ol fashoined way to make power, KNOW HOW!! you go build your big cubed engines with 70 psi oil pressure,, thousands of dollars over what it costs to build actually, but you still aint running the best fuel available, and still so adimate to ban, without thinking, to yourself, "hey, if ethanol is ileagal, then so is pump fuel,, so any ones tank who smells like gas, instead of race gas, is disqualified!!" Predjudice morons, you guys are afraid of pullers with knowhow, plain and simple!! You think we would hide? heck no, ethanol illeagal, ha, just come pull with us, we got the rules straight, by persons who know how to make rules. ChadS

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Old Puller

07-11-2004 05:33:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to ChadS, 07-10-2004 20:59:13  
Ethanol is alochol. If the rules say no alochol, then you are cheating. Only a high school drop out would thing different.



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ChadS

07-11-2004 06:54:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Old Puller, 07-11-2004 05:33:56  
Like I said, now u guys made ordinary pump gas Illeagal. I would be more worried about the "educated" rule committe who dont know squat about fuel. I can argue with that rule, cause it is in effect, that I will give you, but if the big bad tech committe is that picky, and would disqualify a person for running pump gas, then what is the worth of going to one of these events? Would it be safe to say, that the only fuel that is legal is the fuel that Farmall uses huh? or Mr Bear, or Lemmons, right? Calling a puller a cheater because they use pump gas is kinda dumb, Everyone and everyone knows that when that rule was written it meant METHANOL mixtures. twist the words any way you like, still sounds strange,,, Geesh, I thought that these guys knew what they were doing!! ChadS

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o..i called bout that gas

07-11-2004 10:37:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to ChadS, 07-11-2004 06:54:17  
i called your house about the JD A head gasket and spoke ot earl? was it? and he said it would be kinda expensive..so i'll wait till this one blows to decide if i want to get one made..lol....thanks for replying and have a good day.....



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Shutt30

07-11-2004 07:45:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to ChadS, 07-11-2004 06:54:17  
I agree totally Chad. The nit picking by some who more than likely don't know what the local gas station is putting in the fuel is just crazy. Remember you only get 100% gasoline if its marked as so. If it just says regular you could be getting anything from ethonal, lead additives, to water.



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no kidden...water!!

07-11-2004 10:34:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Shutt30, 07-11-2004 07:45:39  
we had a guy do that around my area...his gas station had water in it and it was mixed so poor..that ppl came back and sued him..lol..i agree...ethonal should be leagal...i think ANY fuel that is safe should be...just cause you don't know how to run it..doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. if i can find a the site again..it had an article comparing methonal, ethonal and pump gas flamabilities and temperatures and rate of flame travel to show the safeness...the only thing ppl don't like about alcohols is the flame can be invisible...

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FARMALL

07-10-2004 07:57:26




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 Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to CHADS, 07-10-2004 06:15:23  
Sounds to me like you like to buck the rules. I agree that ethonal is different than methonal but
rules are rules. You need to get the fuel approved first before runnung it. Remember once you are cought for cheating you are always a cheater in some people's eyes.



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Jeff

07-11-2004 05:44:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to FARMALL, 07-10-2004 07:57:26  
So what you are saying is that if you happen to live in a state that mandates and enthynol blend in the pump gas then unless you find some other source or go out of state to buy your pulling gas then you can't pull legally? If it is in the gas you buy at the pump then there is nothing you can do about it, that would kinda but a damper on any pull wouldn't it?



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Old Puller

07-11-2004 06:17:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Jeff, 07-11-2004 05:44:09  
No. The fuel chad is cheating with is not pump gas. Yes they do add ethonal to some pump gas but chad is getting fuel with more ethonal. E-85 is 85% ethonal. Chad is saying because you can get pump gas with a small percent of ethonal, added more ethonal should be legal. Just more lies from Chad.



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buickanddeere

07-11-2004 14:01:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Old Puller, 07-11-2004 06:17:53  
E-85 (85% ethanol/15% gasoline) requires re-jetting carburators compared to 10% ethanol/90% gasoline mixes. May even require a larger carb needle and seat. E-85 has to be run so much richer that early fuel injection systems on road vehicles cannot compensate and richen the mixture enough to operate correctly.



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Shutt30

07-11-2004 07:55:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Old Puller, 07-11-2004 06:17:53  
You can get E-85 at the pumps, and you will see more of it. Check out the inside of most of the new car and truck gas tank doors. It's labeled E-85 ready. It's emissions people, it going to be every where. 105 octane real close to the old premium we used to get at 102 octane. We have 3 spots to get it here with in 5 miles of each other. You watch most cenex's will carry it soon. And cheaper than race fuel. Sorry oldpuller find somthing else to crow about.

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ChadS

07-11-2004 07:17:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: E-85 ethonal in reply to Old Puller, 07-11-2004 06:17:53  
Still twisting rules and words. This is why rules are so hard to enforce cause evryone wants to keep adding things that are not written and spelled out. I guess you have that everywhere you go, HA HA,, after watching the nationals for a spell and seeing the political BS that they pulled on the members, I wont come back, so I support USAP 100 percent! NO BS, HOOK UP AND PULL. You said all ethanol is banned. NO ALCOHOL AT ALL, and you say, well, we will let the little bit slide, well there is why the rules get broke. Cause you give them a foot, they take a mile!! Still show me the hydrometer that shows how much ethanol is in the mix??? If it under 750, and no way to detcet it, it will be ran. plain and simple! you know it and I know it. That goes for any type of fuel, and additives. octane bosters, nitro, propelyne oxide, mthanol, toluene, (spellin) there is pullers out there who mix all of the above in one tank!! Go a pulling!! I would be safe to say that that is a bomb waiting to happen! And I see it, I smell it at any pull I go to, ileagal?? well, if I smell it out the exhaust, I know its there, just like nitrous. but when you ask the driver,, OH NO!!!! We dont run that stuff!! Those are the ones you call liars, and cheaters. My fuel is pump gas, with ethanol added. les than 50 percent pure ethanol, before it is mixed with the gasoline!! You guys go,, go run your big expencive race gas,, cause it is the right thing to do cause you all copy from each other anyways, I dare to be different, and if I cant run pump gas,, why come? ChadS

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