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ChadS

07-12-2004 07:49:38




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I read Bigmotors article this morning, I seen a continuing trait going on,, I though that the NATPA wanted the members to vote on the rule changes,, Instead, they did it again! We mde the rule changes, and that is it,, How is this any different than the last time? It is like a secret being kept,, sure,, I know, they have to maintain something in the club right? But all the complaining, all the effort of pullers going to the meetings just to be heard, and then, they dont get heard,, What was it exactly they made the ruls on, that did not involve the members? Just curious,, Chads

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colekicker

07-12-2004 17:58:11




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 Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 07:49:38  
Okay, now lets read what ChadS said. Now, what did the article mean? Is someone able to answer the question instead of bashing one person and avoiding it.



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Heavy Puller

07-12-2004 12:38:03




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 Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 07:49:38  
Hey ChadS what meeting were you at, and what suggestions did you ["we" do you have a mouse in your pocket] make ,and what is it that you are trying to acomplish here?Are you an advocate for pulling or a problem?If I had never met you and never been to or pulled tractors and just read what you say I would not be very interested in this sport because you sure do paint a bad picture of the sport ,maybe you are the problem.Just my thoughts.

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ChadS

07-12-2004 20:36:25




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 Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to Heavy Puller, 07-12-2004 12:38:03  
What??? You got to be kidding me. read the darn article from the guy who was there. That was his opinion, Someone had to be there to know what he was talking about! I figureds I would hear from the pro NATPA advocates putting up that front that they are honest. YEAH RIGHT,, HE HE HE YEAH, CALL ME A PROBLEM, I dont care more like a whistle blower to me. You guys combined could not manage a church bingo rather than a nationally syndicated tractor pull. Obvoisly, this individual had an opinon on his mind, and yes there is an established room for doubt!! Deny it all you want. We have the same political struggle in our local club, do a better job board members!! It is the votoers that put you there, unless, you were appointed by the "Royal Board" voters asked you to stand up for them in their questions, concerns, and protests. And when they do BS like what this letter writer stated,, then yeah, the BS continues!! Everyone complained when the rules changed for ol Bear,, the word was at the time,,, let me see,, he is a cheater,, he bought the vote on his tractor,,, I dont know, seemed like the nation had that opinion,,,, Tell me that that is not accurate,,,,, come on,, you want imagination??? you want the mouse in the pocket,, shoot, how bout a fly on the wall when that board decision was executed. Wonder who initiated that. Shall we guess, point fingers just yet,, no, it is a matter of time before the same ol BS shows up in the rumors, and the facts. Political BS indeed. Cheaters accuse the falseness first, kinda like the skunk smellin his own scent. Come on Farmall, do better than that. ChadS

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Pathetic

07-13-2004 07:55:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 20:36:25  
I think that its soo funny to see comments made by a person who has no idea what they are talking about. "You guys combined could not manage a church bingo rather than a nationally syndicated tractor pull", what an amazingingly dumb comment. For a guy that only sits at home and types on his computer or when he actually comes out and pulls gets sent home with his tail between his legs by a pair of B John Deeres, those are pretty strong words. I would recommend that you come out to a NATPA event sometime and see why it is the only National organization worth following, instead of sitting at home bragging about coming in 3rd at a USAP event, that doesn't give you bragging rights! Oh, for your information Chad, what bigmotors was talking about was getting the rpms backed down on the farmalls. There's the answer and the facts.

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ChadS

07-13-2004 08:22:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to Pathetic, 07-13-2004 07:55:14  
No It is not the answer, the members did not vote on it. the board did before the meeting. Was I there? nope wold not waste my time and money to be shunned. I fyou think that is all I do is sit and type, well BUZZZZ wrong!!!!! I work hard for what I have. And no one can take that, isn't that the point of following dreams? Sometimes it is the outsiders who spot the defects. ChadS



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ChadS

07-13-2004 08:40:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-13-2004 08:22:25  
I did not go home disapointed though. I know those JD B tractors, and the owner, not on a personal basis, but I knew, that when they came, the kicked butt, they did their homework. Me, I just put the H back together, and was more worried about it holding together! But, I still went home with a money envelope for 2nd, and 3rd at princeton. Not too shabby for a little H that spent the entire year before sitting in the shed torn down. Ya know what, I shaked both of the winners hands when they made those JD B's talk the talk, and walk the walk. Anyone can be beaten, but it takes courage to get back up, ran away? never, aint skeered. is that what you want to hear? the play by play for that pull for those classes I was in? But could u understand it in my words? is it an explanation you ask for why I got out pulled By a B JD? Cause, those B's are "Double Trouble, and the Yellow Jacket" One sting ya, then the other out pull ya. And I expect nothing less from a good pulling team. How bout u give them credit? ChadS

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True

07-13-2004 12:56:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-13-2004 08:40:17  
For once we agree, I will give the Wickman's credit that they have probably some of the best running B JD's in the country, but for how extreme the H is supposed to be, there shouldn't be a "B" that can run w/it.



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Wrong Again

07-13-2004 08:39:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-13-2004 08:22:25  
The members DID vote on this at the meeting! The members went through all of the rules and when it came to the rpm rule, there was a motion made, discussion followed, and then the MEMBERS that were PRESENT voted to change the rules to what they read on NATPA.com! It wasn't a "secret" rule change that was made by the board, it was made by the voting members present at the meeting, the people who come out to try and make a difference!

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ChadS

07-13-2004 08:45:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to Wrong Again, 07-13-2004 08:39:13  
That was my original question! Somewhere, this individual spotted this, (the one who wrote the letter) I was asking,, what was this secret rule change that he spoke of? Was notto bash anyone, originally,,, but it lead that way, you see, when you sort through the BS,, a bit of light does how up,, just takes a while to run the shovel. I did not start this post right in the first place, I did not even mention where the article was,, but now that every one knows,, where to find it, read it, ChadS

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FARMALL

07-13-2004 05:10:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 20:36:25  
ChadS, You are talking but know one knows what about. I havent received my hook so inform me
what you are talking about. I still dont understand why you bash NATPA? Because you cant run your tractor there legely? Dont like the competition? You pulled with them years back what happened? No club is perfect, not NATPA or USAP. Every puller has his or her ideas on what they like for rules. Dont bash them, try to change them. And think of how to help all not just whats in your barn.

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ChadS

07-13-2004 08:18:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to FARMALL, 07-13-2004 05:10:59  
Alright, get the HOOK, and read the article, it is in the letters to the the editior section. I wasnt bashing them first, I asked, then got bashed, Maybe, the HOOK has not got out to everyone just yet to read it, but the article struck me as funny, here is a quote from the article, and this is what threw up a red flag in my eyes,, "Alot of people joined the NATPA the night of the business meeting so they can have a vote on new rules and discuss the 3250 div 5 and the rpm rules for div 5. I guess they should have saved their money, it was announced that the BOARD decided this, this and this, HAVE A NICE DAY!" unquote

That is the paragraph, in question,

I agree, no club is perfect, but the ones who advertize to be the best in the world, aint, and it is not because of the pullers!

I pulled Natpa,, yes, when it first came out of Ohio as a newly formed national organization. 1994, 95 or 96 somewhere in there,, I thought that our prayers were answered! WHOO HOOO!! Then we followed the circuits, hit every scheduled event. was in contention in the points right up until the Columbia pull, got out to columbia, they had a regoinal, and then the championship pull, I read the points sheet, and somewhere, there were 3 names ahead of the top 4 original places that did not even come to the pulls on the schedule! A the time, it was Wheeler, Fenner, Birch, Me, and antoher WD ac in the top 4 points spots before the regional pull. Cause we just left Wilmington, and that was the points After the pull. So I did some research on what happened,, apperantly, there was a few "Unscheduled" events that counted as a NATPA points pull, and no body knew bout em! the only name that did not change place was wheeler, cause he smoked us all that year. everyone else, they got dropped from where they were 2-5, were now 7-10 place in the points. that is the final straw for me at the time, and have learned how to be political ever since, I was hurt! Worked my butt off at a young age just to have some old fart steal it. Dont get me started about the Hartford BS the NATPA pulled there, they picked their winners! Got it on video, cheating invisible to the naked eye, but when you put a camera on it,, well then come together!!!! Seen it plain as day. And no, John did not know it till it was brought to his attention.

Now you say, that I should try and change them, help out, be heard,, well my freind, how can we? read that article, or just that little paragraph from someone who was there. The litte guy cant do nuthin! we can but the ones who are corrupt, keep at it. abusing power?? maybe,, they aint listening to no one but a dollar BILL, or a sour lemmon,, maybe the ol birch tree is whispering intheir ears,, I dont know, find that little whispering fool, and put him back where he belongs, on the track, on the tractor, just like the rest of us. Keep the ol board out of the new business. Unless reappointed. Give the new board a chance to straighten things out in their own ideas. COME TOGETHER!!!! not be ripped apart. You know something,, I think that antique tractor pulling has exploded over the last 10 years,, I mean there is not a place you can go and not see an antique pull going on! I have seen the best, and the worst on and off the tracks, and it hurts to see them not get what they ask for, it is just a vote, Now that is what I meant by this post in the first place,,, sorry for not informing,, but I thought ya all got the hook already!! I got mine last week sometime,, Just stumbled upon the article.

No way was I bashing the NATPA members as pullers, it is the political BS that ticks me off. it is like dangleing a ripe carrot infront of a rabbit who has been starved, then taking it away when it leaps for it. same scenario inthis case IN MY OPINION. FARMALL, sometimes we dont see eye to eye, but the cause is the same, to be treated fairly, and with consideration. And we all have those times where we say enough is enough, the time was here for change ,and the members got walked on! again. We have the same ol BS in our local club, seen it for about 4 years now,, now it has came to a head, just like the rpm rules for div 5 in NATPA. Will we get what the MEMBERS are asking for? well, just have to wait n see,, and If I am heard, it wont be a board decision, it will be club decision, along with the board, so it is all agreed!!! Too many stupidly writted rules that eliminate even the first time puller that did not understand! No one will tell them, nor do some ask,, Me, I tell it like I see it. Put on a referee shirt and lets make some calls?? LOL USAP, is my choice of national pulling, NEVER, have I ever went to a USAP pull and did not shake Johns hand, Makes ya feel right at home. USAP are not a bunch of outlaw tractors banned from natpa,, this is a club, who loves to compete, and have a blast doing so, and the political BS,, even though it is not seen all the time, OL John sets it all straight, for the best interest for his members. I love the idea that he is the man that runs the show, he has a vision, and WOW, look at it go!! Working beautifully in my opinion. Never felt cheated, made an example in front of others, I hooked up, pulled, and had a blast, since the USAP started I have attended every single Thanksgiving pull he has offered, and will continue to do so. It is so much fun there, and the environment is freindly, helpful, and well, just the way I like it. Down home, where they know ya by name and treat you like family, not as an outcast as soon as one unloads fromthe trailer.
As you know, I can go on, and on, and I just might! PS, I have to think about what is in my barn, focused, and keep em running, win lose or draw, and keep it alive to go where no one has gone before, the dream is just getting started, I am just a mechanic, With a big mouth. HA HA HA Just my experience, Chads

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FARMALL

07-12-2004 12:05:41




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 Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 07:49:38  
ChadS You shouldn't talk about things that you have no clue on. You dont even pull at NATPA so whats the problem?



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PULLING FAN

07-12-2004 09:32:24




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 Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 07:49:38  
Chads what rules are you saying were changed by this secret meeting.



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Unhappy Puller

07-14-2004 01:10:19




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 Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to PULLING FAN, 07-12-2004 09:32:24  
No 600 Fords below the 3500# class. Whats that all about?



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ChadS

07-12-2004 12:05:19




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 Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to PULLING FAN, 07-12-2004 09:32:24  
That is what I was asking,, In the article it stated that the board did not let the members vote on something, just curious on what it was. ChadS



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PULLING FAN

07-13-2004 15:02:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to ChadS, 07-12-2004 12:05:19  
ChadS - I have been reading this link for 3 to 4 years and you are about the only person that is always bad mouthing pulling clubs.You could start your own pulling club or just pull in the U.S.A.P. which by the way is in no way a national club just a back yard club with a bunch of pullers who want to complain all the time if they get beat by some puller out of their little circle. Now if you want to see tractor pulling grow, be the solution not the problem and put a zipper on the bashing of N.A.T.P. A. and other clubs. If a club is bad it will die on its own.

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ChadS

07-13-2004 22:11:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to PULLING FAN, 07-13-2004 15:02:50  
Especially when the government is possibly still corrupt! I call em as I see em. ChadS



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luther

07-13-2004 20:05:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Article in the HOOK in reply to PULLING FAN, 07-13-2004 15:02:50  
Wow, give the guy a break, he's just voicing his thoughts on napta, he wants too know what was voted on, I read the letter, he's not to far off and I am on the outside looking in so to speak. It's a free country, so saying what's on your mind can't be all bad.



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