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Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax

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Fear Deere!

12-22-2001 13:35:15

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I do alot of tractor pullin and get some pretty heavy loads. I own a 94 Ford 250 NStar and am thinkin about buyin a new truck. Whats the best.
Any help appreciated.

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G Taylor

12-27-2001 21:41:38

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

Has anyone ever sat down & figured out how much fuel $$$ has to be saved to pay for the diesel option including sales tax & extra interest payments? Likely 95% of diesel sales are status symbols rather than being practical for the application. If you are getting cheap diesel by burning home heating fuel or farm diesel, then farm gas is avalable too.

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Justin

12-26-2001 19:32:22

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

Forgot to mention, the 7.3 Power Stroke is supposedly already out of production and warehouse motors are being installed in the new Fords. After this year the 7.3 will be gone and Ford will use a new 6.0 Liter diesel also made by Navistar. I believe it will also be called Power Stroke.

Justin

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Denny Frisk

12-27-2001 13:25:06

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Justin, 12-26-2001 19:32:22

MAN... Who stays up all night dreaming up these rumors to start??.... Navistar's still building 7.3L PSD... They will still be used in vans for a year or two until the van can be redesigned... And the New 6.0L is a CAST IRON BLOCK & HEAD engine WITH CAMSHAFTS.... Early reports say about 335 to 350 HP and 550 Lb/Ft of torque but the RPM is higher to make the HP. The torque will be avail at low RPMs too. AND there is a 4.5L V-6 version of the engine coming out for use in Excursions and F-150's too. 225 HP and 400Lb/ft of torque. The V-6 was supposed to be released first but the last thing I heard was the V-8 will be avail. sometime during the 2003 model year and the V-6 sometime later...

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Willy Nelson

12-26-2001 22:39:30

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Justin, 12-26-2001 19:32:22

Where did you here about the 6.0 at.

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Justin

12-27-2001 05:36:18

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Willy Nelson, 12-26-2001 22:39:30

It's been talked about on the ford-diesel.com forums for the last year or so.

Justin

Ford-diesel.com

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JDJIM

12-27-2001 04:12:46

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Willy Nelson, 12-26-2001 22:39:30

There is a post on www.62-65 dieselpage.com , go to the Ford section , I'm not too good at linking this stuff up . Says it's called the G-2 6.0 all alluminum with cast sleeves . That's about all I could find on it , JIM

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Wildbill

12-23-2001 09:09:56

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

The Ford and the Chevy may have a small advantage in power but the Cummins is tough to beat. They all have more power than you can use in a pickup chassis. I have a one ton 24 valve 4wd cab and chassis with a 5 speed and 3.54 gears, extra heavy springs and doubled frame rails that weighs 7300lbs. With the 25ft trailer and a backhoe on board I weigh in at just over 29,000 and it will go anywhere just as fast as you want to go. It has never gone under 11mpg, and is usually around 14. Unloaded the truck gets 19 consistently. If you study your engine design it should be an easy choice, you cannot build a V-8 as strong as a six if space limitations and weight are a consideration. How many big JD and IH tractors used V-8s? How did the IH V-8 tractor perform? How many new Kenworths are sold with IH or Isuzu engines? The Dodge dealers are a little arrogant because they know if you do not buy it the next guy will. Whatever you do, do not buy an auto trans model. And remember that 90% of Ford trucks are still on the road, the other 10% made it home!! Bill

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Gary Sayre

12-24-2001 14:45:35

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Wildbill, 12-23-2001 09:09:56

Dodge/Farmall Fan Here....(90% of Fords are still on the road because that's where they were left when they broke down!! LOL) Merry Christmas!!
Just think if we lived in any other country we could't joke about whose best!! God Bless America!

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showcrop

12-23-2001 07:01:46

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

I recently pullled my trailer 400+ mi and back with my 2001 turbo-Navi Ford, following a friend with an older navi natural. There was a big difference on the hills.

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Bamapuller

12-22-2001 20:59:06

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

As was suggested on another board that you posted on, but everyone passed over it, consider a true medium duty truck. I have had a low-profile C6500 Chevrolet now for about a year and a half. It has a 3126 Cat motor with 6 speed manual trans. It really does a good job pulling my 32 ft. gooseneck with 2 tractors and all my weights, etc. To local pulls I have hauled 3 tractors with it. It does awhole lot better job pulling and stopping than the 454 dually that I was using. Also the price wasn't that much more than a 1 ton. If you're not a GM fan, Ford has F650 and F750's. The big rig makers have trucks in this class, but they are more money. The spec sheets on all of them are a mile long concerning which horsepower engine, trans, rear end, brakes, etc. you can get.

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Tom

12-23-2001 17:59:50

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Bamapuller, 12-22-2001 20:59:06

Well said I have had a 4700 International for 3 years it replaced a Chevy gas. I was hauling tractors for repair shop averaging two loads a week 12000 to 20000lbs. The loads were slowly killing the chevy. The binder has only a DT360 turbo diesel and a 6plus trans but will out last any pickup haulimg similar load everything is bigger heavier and designed for it. The only thing i would change is going to a 466. But if you don't like IH Chevy, Ford, and Freightliner all make a good medium duty truck. Mine has 253000 miles on her and it still makes two trips a year from n.Y. to Wis. I would point her towards Califorina in a heart beat.

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Justin

12-24-2001 16:49:28

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Tom , 12-23-2001 17:59:50

We've got an '84 GMC Brigadier that we use to haul our tractors with and it does great. It was a good truck when we bought it and even after an engine overhaul we've still got 1/4 the money in it that we would have had in a new truck. It's got a turboed 6-71 Detroit (270 horse, 783 lb. ft. torque) and pulls great. Only downside was having to learn to drive the 9-speed.

Justin

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Andy

12-22-2001 16:17:53

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Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Fear Deere!, 12-22-2001 13:35:15

I have a 92 dodge with a cummins and love it. It pulls 18000 lbs just great. the mileage empty is consistantly 17-19. There are a lot of performance upgrades that are very reasonably priced. The automatic overdrive was the only weak link in the older ones. You should pull heavy loads in drive. There are some good buys on the older style dodges.

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Mr. J

12-23-2001 19:56:50

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Andy, 12-22-2001 16:17:53

OK....Here's my 2-cents worth. My brother has a 99 Ford F-350 SD with a Powerstroke and a 6 speed. 50,000 miles and it hasn't been back to the dealer yet. My grandfather....being an avid chevrolet man, decided to get one of the new, big bragging rights Chevrolet Duramax Diesels. Well, he did, and similar results. He had it for about 1200 miles, then blam, cracked head. Warranty, took it back. New head.....Got it back....put another 700 miles on it, then Blam....cracked the other head....Hummm he said. Traded it straight up for a 2000 Superduty Ford Powerstroke. He hadn't ever used the Chevy to tow. Oh well, my dad has a 91 Dodge with a Cummins and a 5-speed. Never any problems, other than a sore back after ever trip. Man those old style dodges ride rough. In my opinion, go with a Ford or a Dodge. This is one of Chevy's big ideas...dazzle them with big horsepower numbers....and yes, when the truck works, it'll outpull anything out there, WHEN it is running. Go with the old proven heavyweights. Ford or Dodge...

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powerstroker

12-23-2001 06:00:11

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Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Andy, 12-22-2001 16:17:53

Dont mess with any of the rest buy the best FORD POWERSTROKE. I can pull any kind of load with my 99. With the intercooler it kicks butt!!!! I pull an 18 foot trailer and all kinds of balls. Just make sure u get an 6 speed manual

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Jrred

12-27-2001 06:09:57

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to powerstroker, 12-23-2001 06:00:11

Well if you go with the best it would not be a powersucker! I talked to a diesel performance guy and he told me that were he is from the guy who buys a ford trades it in every 2 years because it is wore out by then! They use their trucks hard and pull loads all the time and that kills the vblock in those fords! Now I have a 91 dodge with a cummings and it has 450000 on it with a auto tranny the only thing done to that truck was a fuel pump at 375000 and a tranny at 415000!!

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Jrred

12-27-2001 06:15:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Jrred, 12-27-2001 06:09:57

Besides regular wear ant tear like brakes and things like that it has been real good to me. But remember if you go with a auto it all depends on how you take care of it with a stick your worries are less that is why my 2001 is a 6 speed and what a diference! I would recomend the 6 speed any day!No one will put updates in a auto for more power!

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Gman

12-25-2001 18:10:26

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to powerstroker, 12-23-2001 06:00:11

Andy I have a '95 F-350 powersroke Auto pull 28' cornpro trailer and Two John Deere "G" tractors weighing 6500 lbs each,and been doing this since new one other thing this truck has 3.55 axle ratio,so don't sell the auto's short,I've proved that lot's of times at the stop light. Gman

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Team Moline

12-23-2001 11:36:59

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Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to powerstroker, 12-23-2001 06:00:11

A Chev or GM with the Duramax engine is by far the best pick up. You're on crack if you think a Powerjoke or Cummins can even compete. We've got a 1 ton GM Duramax and 5 speed Alison automatic and it pulls our 22' flat bed, loaded, like nobodies business. It gets 23mpg empty and averaged 15mpg loaded on a 3000 mile trip. On hills, we blasted by Fords and Dodges with half the weight. And you can actually have a conversation inside or around a Duramax , while it is running, without having to yell or get shaken right out the door.

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JDJIM

12-23-2001 18:09:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Team Moline, 12-23-2001 11:36:59

I've had nothing but Chevys , now I have a '94 K3500 4x4 454 , 165,000 mi , auto . Pulled 5-9 ton with it about 1/3 of the miles , uses a lot of gas but hasn't caused too much trouble . I'm about due for a new one . Heard good and bad about the Duramax , don't think I can justify the $4000+ for the diesel yet , NOT ENOUGH PROOF . The engine is TOO SMALL should be at least 450cu in don't care what they say & what the figures show . There is one rule that stands out "THERE'S NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT" . I gotta admit the Dodge is smaller but the 6cyl makes up the difference . Both Dodge and Ford have been proven over lots and lots of miles , they have probably had their problems but GM's diesel has a long way to go before I'd buy one .If I were to get a new truck I think it would be the GM 8.1 gas or if diesel would be a Dodge . Sorry GM people ,including myself, but just not enough proof yet . JIM

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RoyG

12-23-2001 16:04:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Team Moline, 12-23-2001 11:36:59

Wonder what that RICE BURNER will be doing after a couple hundred thousand miles?

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Frankie P

12-23-2001 13:50:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Team Moline, 12-23-2001 11:36:59

I bought a new duramax with the allison auto last year. As a long time chevy driver I thought it was a great truck, for about 4500 miles. At 4650 miles it cracked a head, dealer fixed it, at 6700 miles, cracked another head, dealer fixed it again, had it back for 3 days, spun a rod bearing, dealer said it was from antifreeze in the oil when the head cracked. New long block under warranty. Got it back and sold the piece of &^%*&^ . Only lost $9000. in 8100 miles. Chalk this up as a learning experience. I bought a lo-pro Navistar with the 466 and allison and rear air ride. Should have done this in the first place, it was only $4500 more than the chevy.

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Team Moline

12-25-2001 11:35:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Frankie P, 12-23-2001 13:50:38

Got 7000+ miles on mine, with no problems at all. What are you guys doing to yours!?

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Busmechanic

12-23-2001 20:10:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Frankie P, 12-23-2001 13:50:38

All of the above trucks have good points. But Frankie P. bought a TRUCK !!!! That DT466 will out pull and outlast all of them....

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ford power

12-24-2001 07:36:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best Truck, Cummins vs. P Stroke vs. Duramax in reply to Busmechanic, 12-23-2001 20:10:00

we have had ford for pulling for 8 yrs..they keep getting better all the time...the last 2 we have put the power chips in...that really works great...can just coast at 75 now....just plays with the trailor...wont but a dodge...need ear plugs to ride in the cab..... ....G M need to prove them selfs first...they have great gas motors though...

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