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Redman

08-11-2004 12:48:10

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what kind of HP do you guys get?

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BUBBA

08-14-2004 19:32:09

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JOHN DEERE B V.S. FARMALL H in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

would a rebuilt late madel john deere b(1948 and up) pull better than a farmall h rebuilt. all these tractors have is slight over size pistons, and propane pistons in the john deere, cut tires on both.these tractors are pulling in 1st gear.
thanx Bubba

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ChadS

08-15-2004 09:13:33

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Re: JOHN DEERE B V.S. FARMALL H in reply to BUBBA, 08-14-2004 19:32:09

Maybe,, in my opinion, the late B JD, had a creeper gear that works really well for them,, we have one in our club that is very good,, power wise, never stalls it out,, I think WTW has it down pat with the B JD pulling tractors,, he beat me at Princeton in 2 classes with his pair of B, JD's. And I have a good H farmall! loL!! CHADs

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WTW

08-13-2004 08:17:17

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

The one you want to ask this question to is the guy who backs up to the sled and wins consistently. The bull$hit stops when the hook drops. Maybe that person will share what kind of power it really takes in a given class. Big HP is good and usually prevails especially when speed is not a limiting factor. I like to tell people in paced classes that sometimes its not how big it is rather its what you can do with it! One fact for sure on horsepower is: you got to have enough to pull the type of class you enter your tractor in and the one that can hold his traction and speed to the class limit is the one that will usually win. Nothing that most successful pullers don't already know. DW

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720Deere

08-12-2004 20:23:35

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I just like to pull! I'm not into all that chest thumping crap. From what I've seen, the guys that talk big hp are exagerating and the guys that don't say much well they just let their package speak for itself.

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Mike Haupt

08-12-2004 18:26:00

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I pull a stock Massey Ferguson Super 90 with 85 horse in 6000-9500 lbs.

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docjoe

08-12-2004 16:26:28

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

This is a fair question not a bash. How are you dyno testing these tractors? It has been my experience that most pto shafts wont take the 200+ hp you are talking about.

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Mopower

08-12-2004 07:54:26

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

My buddy runs a 200hp MM UB and built about a 500 hp six cyl MM for a guy. I run a 60-65h.p. UB.

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DCTOM

08-12-2004 07:44:07

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

DC CASE 38.1 UP TO 7000#

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Timbo

08-12-2004 06:24:48

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

Division 1- >80HP
Division 2- 80-100HP
Division 3- 100-140HP
Division 4- 140-250HP
Division 5- 250+

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MM john

08-12-2004 02:09:06

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I pull MM zau 40 hp on pto 4,000 to 5,500 2nd gear lighter classes aint the badest roster in the barn yard but i have a good time

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CASEPOWER

08-11-2004 17:36:40

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

Wilson Machine just finished up a Moline that pegs a Tayor Dyno out and boils the water in the dyno. It"s hard to figure the HP when that happens..

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G-MAN

08-12-2004 07:42:25

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-11-2004 17:36:40

They don't have a way to continually circulate water through it? It doesn't take much horsepower to overheat a dyno if you're just running on the water in the tank. We have a 3/4 inch hose under 70 lbs of pressure going into our AW and can still darn near overheat it when pulling something like an 8520. Take that Moline to a dealership and put it on a real dyno built to handle 300 horsepower or so.

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WILDMAN

08-13-2004 05:00:39

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-12-2004 07:42:25

G MAN I DON'T WANT TO ACT LIKE A SMART BUTT, BUT LW'S TRACTYOR WON'T DYNO ON A 350HP DYNO.I WOULD BET THE HOUSE ITS MORE THAN THAT.I SAW IT RUN FOR THE 1ST TIME LAST WEEK,AN THAT IS ONE BAD TRACTOR, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT COME TO A OTTPA PULL WITH YOUR TRACTOR AN PULL AGAIN,ST HIM.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 05:39:54

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to WILDMAN, 08-13-2004 05:00:39

Until he gets it on a dyno that will handle it we'll never know, will we? Overestimating horsepower is pretty common in all motorsports. In Car Craft once they had a chassis dyno set up at a show and dynoed 10 cars. They asked the owner what he thought it would make prior to running them. 7 of them overestimated their horsepower by 20-25 percent, one was dead on and 2 underestimated their horsepower. Ask yourself this. If this tractor is running on a PTO dyno, are those stock 50s vintage PTO components REALLY up to handling 400 horsepower?

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CASEPOWER

08-12-2004 13:24:17

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-12-2004 07:42:25

It"s a PTO dyno and it"s as real as they get. The water flow is through a 3/4 inch hose and no not from a bucket. It has quite a bit more cubes then a 8520. More HP too I"m guessing!! Also the dyno came from a dealership, so whats that got to do with it?

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G-MAN - and by the way...

08-12-2004 13:45:47

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-12-2004 13:24:17

If it's a real dyno, you guys might want to check it out. Most dynos I've been around have a thermal fuse the releases the load once the water temps gets too high, in order to save the brake assembly. Ours releases at 140. That's quite a ways below boiling. If the water in that one was actually boiling, the chances are that the brake is toast. Also, when's the last time it was calibrated?

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G-MAN

08-12-2004 13:43:19

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-12-2004 13:24:17

So how much power did it take to peg it out? 200? More power than an 8520 huh? Bring it out and we'll find out. But if the Moline won't make at least 285, don't bother. The fact that the dyno came from a dealership doesn't mean anything. My point was that dealers usually have to have a dyno big enough to handle the biggest tractors they work on. A dealership from a small-farm area might have one that will only handle 200. Ours will handle 375. Like I said, bring it out and we'll see what it will make.

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Augie

08-13-2004 09:51:21

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Good Grief in reply to G-MAN, 08-12-2004 13:43:19

A bone-stock 800 Moline will make 250hp.

I'd bet your life that there's more than a few of em that are pushing 500hp.

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CASEPOWER

08-12-2004 16:20:23

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-12-2004 13:43:19

Boiling was a figure of speech. I love the way you doubt everything you read. Yes it is making more power then an 8520. Some folks are not hung up on going slow. You kind of remind me of a editor of a colorful magazine you read, that loves to judge everyone else"s tractors and don"t even own such a tractor. What kind of puller are you running now G-Man?? It"s easy to judge when your not in a position to be judged. Is it just jealousy that fuels your fire, or something else that lurks deep inside??

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buickanddeere

08-12-2004 19:26:40

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-12-2004 16:20:23

Why are you cross with G-Man? He is a logical thinker who deals with facts. Boiling is boiling, a thermal fuse is 140F and getting 375+ HP out of that Case at rated pto rpms could be stretching the story some.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 05:41:55

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to buickanddeere, 08-12-2004 19:26:40

In my experience, Casepower doesn't like to be questioned at all. As soon as you start asking for specifics or clarifications, he goes on the defensive and thinks he's being attacked. On countless ocassions he's done the same thing to me, but he's always the victim.

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 06:10:54

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 05:41:55

Did you ever stop to think that specifics and clarifications was no of you business?? Is it that you just think everyone except you, live and works under shade trees. The fact that we can do something physically that you can only mentally think about doing just makes you complain, doubt, and argue. I"m not sure if you just don"t have the time to build a tractor, the money to build a tractor, or maybe you just don"t do know which way to turn the bolts. But do something besides doubt other peoples abilities. Build you a tractor and I will be impressed. I will even come and take some pictures. I guess the fact that LW"s tractor will make that kind of HP makes you the victim. When you can build a tractor that pulls 9200# in 4th gear and spins out at the end of the track with a 15 mph wheel speed without a turbo and non injected, I will come on YT and tell everyone "YOUR THE MAN". But until then I will just be waiting.. PS. You might want to start with something besides a G.

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buickanddeere

08-13-2004 07:51:29

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 06:10:54

Just for the record I run a custom 4 valve per cylinder head on a two cylinder in the 4500lb class that can turn 2900rpm. HP is likely 65 to 75. Can't use more than 1/2 of that at the moment. With the current tall tires, low ratio rear gears, low ratio bull gears 2nd gear is for only the loosest/greasy track. Will get the finals reduced and beefed up one of these days. Would rather run 4 mph in 2nd gear. Usually I just putter down the track in 1st gear at 2200rpm at 3 or so mph. It's good fun and still less HP than some of the other "stock" tractors in the class.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 07:46:39

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 06:10:54

Trust me, if I wanted one bad enough, I'd have one. There's a little more to life than building some fence row derelict into something that can whip up on other fence row derelicts. If that's your bag, fine, but don't think that just because everyone doesn't do it means that you're the only ones with the talent and ability to do so. If I'd gone through the whole summer having done little more than wrench on my tractors, haul my tractors and pull my tractors, I'd feel like I wasted it. I spent a week of my two weeks of vacation in a combine helping my family get the wheat in. What have you done to help anyone else that didn't profit you?

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Redman

08-13-2004 10:34:21

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 07:46:39

darn,i guess you won"t be asking for my John Hancock anytime soon then?hehehehehe

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 10:59:17

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-13-2004 10:34:21

I already know who you are, so don't pull that crap on me, lol. Actually I'd like to see your tractor pull sometime. I'm not that into the big-boy pulling, but the mechanics and physics of those high-end smoker engines fascinate the heck out of me. And you hardcore pullers are definitely a different breed. I've never been in your specific situation or had the time and money invested in a puller that you have in yours, but when we pulled pickups, it got to be a lot of work during a time of year when there was plenty of other work to be done, and we got burned out on it. My individual hooks were fun as could be, but I don't recall enjoying the whole pull as we were busy wrenching, throwing weights or fixing betwen classes. Now, five or six years later, we're starting to get the bug again, but will take it easier this time around. "Stock" class, you know, lol.

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 07:57:13

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 07:46:39

More then 2 weeks worth for sure.Your judging me again before you know all the facts.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 08:03:01

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 07:57:13

That isn't judging you in the slightest. It's a simple question.

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 05:24:43

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to buickanddeere, 08-12-2004 19:26:40

G-man loves to doubt anything I say. It"s a Moline 6 cyl. with a bunch of cubes, running on LP, because a updraft gasoline carb. wouldn"t never flow enough for it. Not a locateable one anyway. The dyno is fine, and anyone that knows LW at Wilson Machine, knows he keeps all of his equipment in top notch shape. If he doubts it will peg a 300 HP dyno at peak HP he can bring one down, I am sure LW wouldn"t mind pissing him off.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 05:36:30

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 05:24:43

I seem to recall you talking about a 164 HP John Deere "R". It seems that that was a joke, so maybe I'm just always dubious about anything you say. I'm also not the sort to believe everything I read, sorry to say. What are you pulling now? So far you've pulled an "R", your CC, the VAC that you've since sold, and are now working on a Fordson. What exactly are you looking for and when will you be happy? Maybe you should have LW build you a Moline.

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 05:52:14

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 05:36:30

You left out a few tractors, but I am looking for the next one to build. I will never be done until I can"t do it anymore. I enjoy building, more then pulling. The R that we joked about was a turbo R and it was a joke from the start. You were the only one that didn"t figure that out. LW"s tractor is as real as they get.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 07:43:51

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 05:52:14

Uh, let's tell the truth here. I questioned your "R" from the start if you'll remember, and even asked for documentation - a video of it running on the dyno. At that point I didn't know your lines of b.s. well enough to call you a liar, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I never said I believed you, so don't try to make me look like an idiot.

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 08:09:46

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 07:43:51

You do a fine job of making yourself look like a idiot. When a man talks about a tractor that is impossible to build he is either a liar or he is joking. I was joking and now you call me a liar years later even after we had to tell you we were joking. Also if you remember right there were others involved with the super duper R you are referring to.

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 10:18:46

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 08:09:46

Like I've said time and again, NOTHING is impossible if you spend enough time and money. I've heard of a Deere 830 that runs or ran 3500 rpm and put out in excess of 200 horsepower. Heresay but it came from what I believe to be a very reliable source. So if a guy could get an 830 crank in an "R" and install a center main, which is also possible since guys are relocating cams and chain-driving them in the big stroker two-cylinders, 164 horsepower IS possible out of an "R". Once again, it's an issue of time and money. I thought you were the guy that could build anything into a "super" puller? Isn't that what you're trying to do with that Fordson, even though people are telling you the rear-end will never hold together? Yeah, your buddy LW was in on the joke with you. But if you'll remember, I was the ONLY one that called you on it and demanded proof, correct? How about that Deere 835 I told you about with the 3-53 Detroit, primitive Sound-Gard, 3 hydraulics and everything else? You didn't call b.s. on that at all, so that would make you just as big of an idiot as me, correct?

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CASEPOWER

08-13-2004 12:59:12

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 10:18:46

There"s not one person that said the rear wouldn"t hold up. Take power yes, but you show me one post or person that said it wouldn"t hold up?? You do a lot of BS talking for someone that hasn"t been there and done that!!

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G-MAN

08-13-2004 13:44:39

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-13-2004 12:59:12

Check your own board. TP makes mention of an aquaintance of his that had a Fordson that wouldn't keep the rear-end together at stock horsepower. Never been there and done that? What year did you go to your first pull OR pull your first tractor? I can remember going to pulls when I was 6 or 7 and probably was at some before then. I first pulled in '92. I may not have done it as much as you, but I darn sure did it BEFORE you.

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CASEPOWER

08-14-2004 07:52:06

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-13-2004 13:44:39

My graduation year of 1989 was the first time I actually pulled a tractor. I was still into fast cars then.

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Redman

08-13-2004 05:15:55

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to buickanddeere, 08-12-2004 19:26:40

them 2 go at it all the time,i think they both like it.
if no one gets hurt it is all in good fun.
i have seen a 570 cockshutt that would probably run around 400 hp on the dyno with no turbo and still has a carb.

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JDGnut

08-12-2004 08:44:37

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-12-2004 07:42:25

Most of those guys are looking at engine HP.. and are running only the engine on a dyno.. not the entire tractor... JDGnut

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Lucien Roy

08-11-2004 17:11:30

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I am de Cheatin FrenchMan from Maine . I wood not leve the barn with less than 175HP. It usually gets me a trophy . I am De Best

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m.forest

08-12-2004 08:28:40

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Lucien Roy, 08-11-2004 17:11:30

salut. quel mod�le de tracteur as-tu?
What model of tractor do you drive?

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pete

08-11-2004 15:04:03

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

Depends on the number of horses you have hitched

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52 A Boy

08-11-2004 14:46:46

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I pull stock 7100-8100 with 41 hp. with a JD A and usually finish in the top 3.
52 A Boy

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G-MAN

08-11-2004 13:58:39

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

The same kind you do - (Torque x RPM)/5252 - just less of it, lol. Sorry Redman, I just couldn't resist...

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Redman

08-11-2004 19:24:15

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to G-MAN, 08-11-2004 13:58:39

well i guess i must have left the barn door open that time!smile

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nim

08-11-2004 13:29:05

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to Redman, 08-11-2004 12:48:10

I pull stock 4000-5500 class with 66 hp, on an oliver.

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Jeff Oliver

08-12-2004 20:11:26

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Re: question for the antique pullers...... in reply to nim, 08-11-2004 13:29:05

I pull farm stock on an 88 Oliver and have no clue how much HP it has. Don't really care as it doesn't bog down and I usually wind up in the top 5 at least. Hehe heck if I ever put it on a dyno I might get paranoid about it ..LOL!!!! It came fresh off of a farm like I pull it , nothing done to the engine at all, heck i still run the oil bath air cleaner...

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