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I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice.

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Big Time

01-04-2002 19:59:04




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Seemed simple enough. What i wanted to do was try farm tractor pulling as i got older. But I think this sport is going just like NASCAR. Used to be years ago you could go watch the good old boys go race on the weekends. But now the good old boys are setting in a chair watching millionaires race round in circles. Some good comments i gathered, though, like who wants to watch Joe Blow on his turbosupercharged twin V-12 collect every trophy and prize dollar everywhere he wants to go. Now it seems simple enough, stick to my motorcycles, and dont watch cable TV so i wont be tempted to try it myself. Its been Real, Gentlemen, ADIOS.
maybe cya at a Cycle swap meet. My stuff is for sale.

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Greg H.

01-07-2002 12:17:18




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 Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Big Time, 01-04-2002 19:59:04  
Big Time,
Another alternative is to just go and have fun with your stock farm tractor. That's what I do. I have a very nice 1966 model 4020G, and everytime I go pull, I'm in the under dog position. But that's OKay because my tractor runs very well, I spin out in second gear, with 18.4 38's on the back, and I pull as good as anyother stock or nearly stock tractor on the track. I go for fun, and for the chance of getting lucky, and getting alittle money. I've had a couple guys put my tractor down because they've out pulled me with smaller tractors. statements like " if I had a 4020 that wouldn't go in 3rd gear I'd leave it at the house" Then I usually ask them about their HP output, which is usually well over the 100 HP mark and they always want to brag. Then I say something like "if I were cheating that much, and couldn't go anyfarther than that, I'd leave that crap at the house", and they usually shut up, and leave me to my fun. It's all about keeping it in prospective, but like you I wish our club had pulls for stock farm tractors. I doubt it will ever happen. Good Luck Greg H.

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Deere My...

01-07-2002 06:19:59




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 Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Big Time, 01-04-2002 19:59:04  
It's a shame that you are considering 'giving it up', but at times it seems as the easiest thing to do, especially when you figure that 'Big Money' is ruining your fun. I agree that it's hard to compete against cubic dollars, but there's still quite a bit of fun to be had. Gary is right - nothing comes easy and a person cannot expect to win if they are either running junk or not putting in the time to dial a setup for YOUR tractor. Many guys will use a setup that their buddy runs and when there's poor results, immediately figure the buddy has more money invested or that the tractor simply won't pull. If you are going to be involved, big money need not be a problem. Make certain that your tractor runs as well as possible and is a model that can be expected to pull on a gimpy motor (For instance, a '46 Deere "A" will not have the nut to pull 6500 competitively against good M's, late Deere A - 60's or unstyled "G"), but a decent running "M" shouldn't set you back too much and can be a decent ride. Work hard on a setup that provides weight transfer and can be tweaked (You may need to see a buddy with a set of race scales to figure out your front/rear bias, allowing you to work some numbers & place weight appropriately) Many people feel that if they have an antique tractor, it should be able to win or place on its merits alone - it simply doesn't work that way, as some due to power/weight, gearing, etc. simply aren't good pullers without 'enhancement'. I've made it a point to have fun by beating the big dollar rides on a consistent basis with low-buck rides and have been very successful doing so. It is more satisfying knowing that you have trophied or placed ahead of tractors with 3 & 4 times the money invested, winning due to a great setup and operating skills.

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Dave H

01-06-2002 11:08:44




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 Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Big Time, 01-04-2002 19:59:04  
We put on a pull this summer that was quite successful.We had several classes,one of which had a 3 mph speed limit and tire rules,stock weight locations etc.My observation was that a person could be competative with his or her stock tractor if they did all the right things.The motor needed to be right up to spec,some thought needed to put into balance,tire type and pressure,drawbar location and these tractors did really well,their owners seemed to have a good time.I also saw some tractors that looked like they were drug out of the barn where they were parked for some time,mismatched tires,their motors not where they needed to be and they did not do so well. It still seems to me that you get out of it what you put into it and that it it doesn`t need to be a ton of money I also don`t think we need to worry about antique pulling going the way of nascar simply because there is no money to be made at it.

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I got enough too

01-05-2002 13:07:29




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 Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Big Time, 01-04-2002 19:59:04  
Amen



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well said

01-05-2002 09:14:15




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 Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Big Time, 01-04-2002 19:59:04  
This guy knows what he is talking about.



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farmall flogger

01-05-2002 09:43:05




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 Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to well said, 01-05-2002 09:14:15  
What's a matter, you guys get beat or something?



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Probably not

01-05-2002 13:25:12




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 Re: Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to farmall flogger, 01-05-2002 09:43:05  
Nope, they just got sick of big money ruining yet another sport.



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Gary

01-06-2002 09:45:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Probably not, 01-05-2002 13:25:12  
I have been involved in alot of different sports and pursuits in my life baseball,football,hunting,
autocross racing,livestock showing,hunting dog field trials and others.In each one in order to be
in the competition you had to make a commitment with your time,your energy,all the effort you could muster and yes some financial effort then and only then did you expect to win.So whats is wrong with the same expectations when it comes to
antique tractor pulling?Why is there the attitude
that if you buy some piece of junk tractor put no
real effort into getting it ready to pull that you should be able to go
to a pull and have all the rules made to suit you
you should be able to beat all those guys and gals who have worked their butt off?If you aren't
willing to work and try hard to get ahead you'll
be a loser at antique tractor and everything else
you try.And don't use the money thing as an excuse,I've become a pretty successful antique
puller and I've never made any big money having
worked blue collar jobs and farmed all my life.
Nobodys gonna hand you anything guys.

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Gee, you think?

01-06-2002 10:18:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Gary, 01-06-2002 09:45:56  
Strange translation there Gary. How do you know how much or little work those guys put into their tractors? It's hardly fair to accuse them of buying junk tractors and expecting to win, don't you think? They might have worked just as hard as you, but the bottom line is that big money is starting to ruin the sport!



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Bob

01-08-2002 00:29:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Gee, you think?, 01-06-2002 10:18:11  
I agree with Gary, you only get out of somethin what you put into it. Big money isent ruinin tractor pullin, all the whinnin and finger pointers are. They seem to really be able to take the fun outa it for everybody who just enjoys a day out playin with their tractors (win or lose)



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gfarmall

01-20-2002 11:10:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess my ideas would be troublesome in practice. in reply to Bob, 01-08-2002 00:29:17  
Again, you guys are missing the point!!. Noone is trying to ruin your fun. If we are going to pull antique tractors, Lets pull tractors like they came from the factory. The sport of tractor pulling is supposed to be fun for everyone, not just for those who have the money. Sure i could spend as much money as the some of those guys, But I wouldnt be a responsible husband or father if I did! Yes the sport of organized tractor pulling is growing, but have you noticed how many of the local guys have quit. NO-One who has a stock tractor can compete like they used too.
The big pulls are still here for now but tractor pulling is dead for the farmers who used to pull.
Yet another casulty of "the man with the most money wins".

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