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Paul

01-15-2002 03:23:00




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Guys,I went to Murray last weekend and had a good time except when they let newer tractors 1959 JD 730's and 830's.They let them pull in the Div. 3,4, exibition only But they let them pull in Div. 2 because they always have according to officials.I personally feel like the rules are written for no particuler reason.It says 1957 and older.I have an 880 that I would like to pull in Div. 2 but it's a 59 and the officials say its to new.We need to hammer the officials to get the rules straight.We will need to go to the rules meeting at the finals to get this straightened out.This is probably opening a whole can of worms but it needs looked at.Let me know what you think.Thanks Paul

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rasputen

01-17-2002 19:33:55




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
I am not a puller, but I was reading up on the NATPA rules and it says, "Tractors 1957 and older or production models that started in 1957"

I was wondering about that part AFTER the OR.
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desperado

01-17-2002 09:58:41




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
I was at murray also and had a great time. Pulling is meant to be fun .The only problem Ihad was the parking.Hey it could be worse we could be without a pulling association.



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home boy

01-17-2002 19:15:33




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to desperado, 01-17-2002 09:58:41  
You are right about the parking . but we love to pull at home and it saves gas. thanks



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I dunno

01-17-2002 06:52:57




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
Antique Tractor Pulling, I thought that it all started out as fun!
It seems to me that if its twentyfive years or older it's antique.
RPM's as much as you dare as long as it all the parts still fit in the orignal case/block it came in when your done the pull.
Total weight, weight it at the start, allow to put more on if you want but none off no matter what.
I dunno.



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Dale G

01-16-2002 07:42:44




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
You can go to www.natpa.com and see the rules.They say for div. 1 & 2 1957 and older or production models that started in 1957.
The 2002 div 3 rules don't list a limitation on the year of tractor {which I'm sure needs clarification}.
Div 4 says 1957 and older
Division 5 says 1959 and older. I think the 880 started production in 1958.The Super 88 started in 1955 so it is ok for any of the classes.

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Politics-Politics -Politics

01-16-2002 04:04:19




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
Nothing about it "fair" those with the most muscle
[votes] win.



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Larry

01-16-2002 09:39:36




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Politics-Politics -Politics, 01-16-2002 04:04:19  
You have just reminded me of why I quit pulling. All the bitching and crying about he can pull his and I can't pull mine so A group of us started what we call a plow day we have 4 or 5 a year and guess what everyone gets a long and instead of weighing in and waiting 5 or 6 or 7 hours to pull you get to play with that old tractor of yours all day long and if you want to drive a tractor you have only read about or seen a picture of ask the owner and the answer always has been sure take it a lap or two. I will guarentee it is 10 tmes more fun than pulling. Last plow day we had 43 different makes and models. Only rule is it has to be a Trip Rope Plow. No Complaints from anyone. Ahh Life as it should be in the slow lane

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d17

01-15-2002 17:04:14




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
I was at murray and i seen alot of good but i seen a few thing i didnt like.a friend of mine got grilled by an official on RPM's everytime he pulled an everybody else in the class just drove on by.and i and many more people would like to know the RPM bases for 460/560 in div 5 .and talking about 880 i beleive they have no problem with the one from colorado pulling .



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art

01-15-2002 17:29:25




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to d17, 01-15-2002 17:04:14  
460/560 div 5 rpms are based on the 660, allowing them about 3500rpms. The 880 from Colorado pulls in division 5 with the 460/560's. The 880's pull in div 5 only as do the 460/560's. The 880 is allowed to run 2500rpms in div 5. Art



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chris

01-15-2002 09:38:21




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
i pulled at murray also 70 jd gas i don't have a problem with 30 model deere's because there the same as 20 models and that's what the rules say but if you want to pull your 880 thats fine can i pull a 4010



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990 gm

01-16-2002 19:08:04




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to chris, 01-15-2002 09:38:21  
Is a 4010 comparable to an 880 oliver , no , , try a 1900 to a 4010 get what you ask for , and what you ask for is what you will get, go apple to apple , 880 to 730 , 990 to 830.



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Jack

01-15-2002 10:20:12




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to chris, 01-15-2002 09:38:21  
Your 70 is a definate improvement from what it was last year.Mine ran out of ponies at 156 ft div 2 on Sunday.I am considering a different cam.It's still not right.Later Chris



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Paul answer

01-15-2002 06:07:43




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 Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul, 01-15-2002 03:23:00  
Everybody knows the 720's and 730's are the same tractor. Only the sheetmetal and steering wheels are different. The guts of the tractor is the same. The 88 and 880 are different as the 880 has a torque you can shift on the fly.



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Chuck

01-15-2002 16:39:54




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul answer, 01-15-2002 06:07:43  
Paul didn't know 880's had a torque. Don't see what the hold up is not letting all tractors 58" and older including all 2cyl John Deers pull any divison they want to



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Reaper

01-15-2002 06:37:29




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 Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Paul answer, 01-15-2002 06:07:43  
I bet I know what kind of tractor Paul has!



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paul

01-15-2002 07:16:13




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 Re: Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Reaper, 01-15-2002 06:37:29  
A Farmall SM Oliver 880 Farmall560,Case 700 Oliver 77 Massey 44.Do you want me to keep going?



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upset puller

01-15-2002 10:59:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to paul, 01-15-2002 07:16:13  
I dont care if tractor was first made in 1950 if it has different sheet metal, was actually built in 1959, it should not pull in a 57 and older class. Its plain as day.



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Don

01-15-2002 13:34:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to upset puller, 01-15-2002 10:59:11  
I've never seen a puller that was satisfied,all you hear at a pull is,"they put me in the wrong class,or"their not following the rules,or something,you pullers are only satisfied if you win a pull and then everything is fine,otherwise you will always find something to belly ache about " SHUT UP " and get a life.



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art

01-15-2002 17:23:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA RULES in reply to Don , 01-15-2002 13:34:49  
I think that there is an exception in print in the NATPA rules allowing all the 30 series to pull because they are so similar to the 20 series. It can be argued that there are other similar tractors like the 880 and super 88 that could be included but aren't. Oh well NATPA and USAP both have good points and bad points and both sets are better than no rules. As far as the 30 series goes, when voting the majority rules and there are more JD fans. I really don't have a problem with them pulling. Art

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