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Shaggy

12-08-2004 21:28:33

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I had a guy call me tonight and tell me that he has a M that has 200+HP and it needs a rebuild because it feels a little weak!? What do you guys think? I would love to find out whats in it to make that kind of power! Is this the BIG one that got away or possible?
Thanks

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Shaggy

12-10-2004 07:36:28

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-08-2004 21:28:33

WOW did I open up a can of worms!! I guess I should of opened another can of Beer instead.

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770

12-10-2004 13:47:28

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-10-2004 07:36:28

Fun to read though, aint it???

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Shaggy

12-10-2004 21:59:19

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to 770, 12-10-2004 13:47:28

You bet! and with a beer or 2. It cracks me up sometimes how the simplest question can lite up a conversation! And no I am not making fun of anybody because I am like that too.

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buickanddeere

12-10-2004 07:03:16

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-08-2004 21:28:33

It takes a well built natural aspirated two valve spark ignition engine with very good heads and tuned tubular intake and exhaust manifolds. In order to make 1HP per 3 cubic inches at 1800 rpm. Some of those numbers sound high for a tractor engine. Not impossible if built with every little trick and buckets of cash.

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Teddy (punchie)

12-10-2004 06:04:10

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-08-2004 21:28:33

Lets talk about tractors, first must be useable, if I can not take it out and run her in the field to do so honest work what good is it. I would say if it would not hold up to a good 3 hour work out it is just a toy and not a tractor.

Let say like the strongest man, put him up agains a fast average strong person. He will wear down almost every time. So what is better all up to the one own personal opinions.

All I can say is we are the rest of you when some ask a question on one of these boards. Easy to pick and hard to but out, is all I'm going to say.

If I'm going to pull I would do it for fun and not any other reason.

Back to building motors any thing goes, but will it last. Frist time one of these tractor may have to wait a couple extra minutes for whatever reason, they better be made to take it or they are going to blow or throw. And end up a broken toy and not a tractor. You all fight nice !!

Have a Good One !!

Teddy

P.S. I think ChadS has learn allot in the past couple three years and he is going to have fun pulling and maybe win a few to boot.

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PULLER

12-09-2004 04:40:47

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-08-2004 21:28:33

I am positive he is at least 50% off,I am a puller and a dame good mechanic, A lot of the pullers are not mechanics and have someone build their motor, Most builders take the bore ,stroke, rpm and etc and come up with a hp, The true test is put it on a dino and then see, it will be about half of what they think, a lot of m, are using a 450 motor ,pull cleves and run on block, with some head work and a 1 inch stroke ,will get you a little of 100 hp. If anyone disagrees with this . tell me the time and place ,I will supply the dino for a true test cashr@midwest.net

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ChadS

12-09-2004 07:01:05

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to PULLER, 12-09-2004 04:40:47

And add those lite weight little rods to shoot up the cost and then loose a truck load of torque, gotta over rev it just to make anything,, Makes a dangerous situation for one thats still running a stock flywheel too. Not even at 500+cubes on alcohol will an M natrually aspirated make 200 hp at 540, 175,,, maybe,, but how reliable would it be? Most big div 4 and 5 M's are right at the 140,150 area in hp, and thats probably on a good day. Rebuilding it every winter, or 2. Always over reving them. I agree with you,, 1 inch stroke, 100hp, thats easy! and thats at stock bore!!! The old M&W strokers that they put in them,, claimed to make over 85, but I have no idea on what cam and head they had on it,, but that was always considered hearsay,, but id belive it. Seen em from stock cubic inches, then a step up, and a step up, etc etc. Learned one thing,, the big engines, arent as big as they say, and let them put in on the dyno, and live,, to tell the tale????? any of their best machine worked engines, problem is,, is there a pto shaft out there to hanlde it? not a stock one,, but a custom made pto shaft built and designed right to with stand the torque, and my god! lets see the torque! the big boys wont dyno tune em,, so no actual facts about 2500 hp!! 1000hp would look like 10000 to the crowd in mu opinion. the one who really know are the pullers who really know them, and know what it takes to put the whole tractor on the dyno, and that is a mechanic, a puller, and won who has a good running, reliable engine, and can brag and back it up. A pto for a big M aint hard to build and design, to hold up, shaft mite not, but it would be a solid, no moving parts, direct drive, right off the clutch, let the destruction begin boys, LOL, whos good,, and who's not? Whats your opinion? Who built yours? and,, did it live,,, to tell the tale??? Come on fellas,,, winter pullin is here,,, brag up you engines!! We all know you pay a visit from time to time,, who gonna go, and whos gonna blow!!!! what an article report, this outta be!!! Fish tale or truth? Sorry for longer, and kinda out there,,, post,, but been so busy, aint had time to vent, as a puller, That ol 460 is playing games with me,,, LOL,, and let the fun begin with that tractor! LOL. new tractors,, yeehaw! starts all over again, Bugs,,, Fact or fiction,,,HA HA!! More like, TRUTH, OR DARE!!! ChadS

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Marty in Mi.

12-09-2004 15:28:00

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 07:01:05

ChadS,have you ever worked on any tractor that was anything other than stock? Have you ever dyno'ed a tractor that was running more than a 9:1 compression ratio? I have personally seen a couple of Bakers tractors on a dyno(not dino). His 421 "M" engines will make just over 150 h.p. at 540 p.t.o. rpm. He has built a couple of 290 "H" engines that I've SEEN make just over 110 h.p. at 540. Both of these engines are torque monsters to boot. Even my little F-14 with just a little over 190 c.i. will run all day long at 60 h.p., and I don't run the compression that those other guys run. Any descent running 4 cylinder will make at least .30 h.p. per c.i., and a really good running one will make close to .40. I'ts plain to see that you don't know ANYTHING about performance antique engines. What would make you think that a 660 plus c.i. "M" could not make 200 h.p. Even at only .30 h.p. per c.i. it would make 198 h.p. I suspect that Bakers "M's" are making about .35,which would put this one at around 231 h.p.,if not more. If there is one saying that I've come to believe is true after reading your post's, it's this: IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE 'EM WITH BRILLIANCE, THEN BAFFLE 'EM WITH BULL S###! Hope this helps, Marty F.

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ChadS

12-09-2004 16:03:50

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Marty in Mi., 12-09-2004 15:28:00

Why does this turn inot a bashin board? geesh.. last biggest cubic inch M was at 517 I have seen em, and that's pretty big for a stock cranked stroker M. 660cubes is the big number these days? didnt know the block could handle over 8 inches of stroke,,,,, with out pulling rings out the bottom of the sleeve, or block,,,, 660cubes? 200hp? Hey,, I belive you pal! 421 cube can make 150 hp at 300 psi, but thats the limit for that cubic inch,, no more compression, that means you are at the limits for air flows, in and out,, for that design. Ive seen Bakers M run at Laotto,, Just like ive seen you wc,, and your f-14, good pulling machines. they get it done. But can remember when u built the F-14,, rumors round the pits at the time was in low 70's for the F-14. It sure does pull like its got 70+hp! dont it? have you seen a 660cuin M engine on a dyno? Heck ive seen big H's too, and I belive over 100 hp stories under 300 cubes. But suspicions,, are not facts, so if you dont know for sure,,, and just a mathmatical number,, then u dont know anymore than i would,,,, heck,, i can alter#'s to make outragous hp per cubic inch when playing with a calculator! Id belive, the guy who tuned it on the dyno,, not a suspicion. weve got rumors,, but no facts,,, thats what this post is,, not to tell us how dumb i am,, but is it fact,, or fiction? Maybe, Ive got 25 grand and I wanna buy one! maybe,, is this what id get for customer service? take my word for it? No, Never tuned an M over 517cubes. never knew they were that big these days. Just like 350cubes in an H is unheard of,, aint it? ChadS

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WILDMAN

12-10-2004 04:48:09

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 16:03:50

NOT UNHEARD OF IN A H .GIVE ME A CALL.

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ChadS

12-11-2004 04:55:08

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to WILDMAN, 12-10-2004 04:48:09

If I did it all over again,, My H would have a C-200 in it, then go play. Easy Hp there,,, ChadS

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Marty in Mi.

12-09-2004 16:47:50

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 16:03:50

Chad, just so you know, it is entirely possible to get 390 plus c.i. out of an "H". Won' tell you how I know, but I will bet that it will make at least 140 h.p. Also, if a 150 h.p. "M" can only handle 4th gear at 5500# and an open class "M" will handle 3rd high, what, h.p. mathematiclly would the big "M" have? By the way, I hope that I didn't hurt your feelings. You have my permission to call me any name you like, or to say any anything debasing about me that you want. I promise you that I've been called a lot worse. Another note: if someone up here says that a person is full of B.S., it is one of the best compliments that you can receive. Needless to say, I am given the ultimate compliment on nearly a daily basis. Keep your stick on the ice! And remember, if the girls don't find you handsome, at least let them find you handy! Marty F

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Mopower

12-10-2004 04:44:43

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Marty in Mi., 12-09-2004 16:47:50

Marty my friend, sounds like 660 cubes is achievable with WD-40 and duct tape! I'm sure they should try to build a pulling tractor on the Red Green Show. They've done everything else! Remember the man's prayer:

I'm a man
I can change
If I want to
...I guess

(I think a woman wrote that.)

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ChadS

12-09-2004 18:31:42

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Marty in Mi., 12-09-2004 16:47:50

LOL. Naa, same compliment here at home too! all i can say is someones doing a good job building blocks to go that big. On an H-350 with no deck plates or spacing the crank, 4.125 X 6.25. thats about it on stroke with out a deck plate and taller sleeves to move the rings upwards, with out it, and more stroke,, pulling rings out the bottom of the block bore. 3/8 taller sleeve, and 6.5 stroke,, maybe,,,has to have a longer rod made for the piston design. water in the head, not the block. still pullin the coop? ChadS

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green weenie

12-09-2004 16:13:39

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 16:03:50

fella's haven't we learned yet that in this antique pulling anything is possible?

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M-Fan

12-09-2004 09:45:30

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 07:01:05

Chad, if you ever see Paul Marlatt"s M run or Gary Baker"s new 660 cubic in. M run, you"ll see that they"re making 200 hp easy...Get out once in awhile

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ChadS

12-09-2004 10:14:41

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to M-Fan, 12-09-2004 09:45:30

Yeah we know,, so they say. ChadS

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GET A CLUE

12-09-2004 14:14:53

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 10:14:41

GET A CLUE! THE ONLY THING YOU ARE GOOD AT IS BSING. PAUL MARLETTS M RUNS MAX RPM'S OF 1920.
AND MAKING OVER 200 HP. THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE IS A H-460 THAT IS NO DOUBT A STOCK 460 MOTOR.

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ChadS

12-09-2004 15:00:32

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to GET A CLUE, 12-09-2004 14:14:53

Ok thats another vote for 200hp for marlatt. Hey, i wasn bashin paul,, you guys brought up his name for the 200 club lol! you know what,, Id belive the man that tuned it if it was 200 if he said it. or how bout someone who has seen it on a dyno. A big name builder, well should be up there up and beyond anyone, right? Howelse for promotion? So, if the M ptos wont take the hp,, how do they dyno it? Ive snapped em at 125 on super M's twisted the shaft in 2. I would not be a tractor mechanic, or a puller if I could not test the engine's hp while its in the frame, if its that potent,, then there is gear sets that can handle it vs stock, Im talking constant mesh gears,, 200 hp,, at 540, would litterally sheer of the teeth an M constant mesh set. Cause at 200hp,, that means below 540,, if its good,, the torque curve might be 215-220hp before it drops off. so stronger yet,,, Im just a bored country boy,,, is it that big of secret to ask the pros,, how good is it? Howd ya do that??? ChadS

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M-Fan

12-09-2004 17:31:12

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 15:00:32

If I had went to the time and effort to fit a 5 1/8 bore and 8 in of stroke into an M I sure wouldn't be spending time trying to see if I could tear it up on a dyno. If you're running Super Ultimate Modified Stock stuff, maybe you could afford to play around all day, then maybe even go plowing with it too!...But not top of the line Division IV machinery

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GET A CLUE

12-09-2004 16:53:28

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 15:00:32

QUIT TRYING TO SOUND LIKE YOU NOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. ALL THE NUMBERS YOU ARE TALKING(TORQUE RISE, HP RISE) IS JUST YOUR GUESS. BY THE WAY, TO DYNO BIG HP ON FARMALL'S THINK 9 SPEED.

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Puller

12-09-2004 17:54:40

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to GET A CLUE, 12-09-2004 16:53:28

Chads, don't you think it would be great to go spend $17,000 to $20,000 to go run div 4 against 5 or 6 tractors, what a joke!!!!

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Goldsburg

12-09-2004 09:26:29

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 07:01:05

ChadS -

As usual, you are talking about things that you really do not understand. Just because you haven't done it, it can't be done...?

My Massey Harris 44 (H260 block) dyno'd 89HP on just 2 (that's right *2*) cylinders this summer with the governor set to a maximum high idle of just 1650 RPM. 1650 RPM is 10% over stock for a 44. The dyno I was using would not hold the torque at the 1350 engine RPM on all 4 cylinders, so I had to pull 2 plug wires to set the carb and ignition. This was all done on an engine that had less than 2 hours on it!

I then took this tractor to a county fair and ran against Paul Marlatt's M. He gave me a good pounding in the 4500 (20+ feet!), but I beat him (barely) in the 5500 as I think he got the wrong gear. I do not have to "think" that his tractor is over 200HP, I now KNOW it!

Regards,

Goldsburg
goldsburg@att.net

BTW - I did not buy my engine. I built it myself (and it is BIG), including the connecting rods. So whether it runs great or runs like crap, it is all my doing...

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ChadS

12-09-2004 10:12:48

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Goldsburg, 12-09-2004 09:26:29

168 hp massey 44 aint bad at all, aint 200, but uh respectable. got some braggin starting! Thats good! a massey is huge, big heavy crank shaft, flywheel, but please tell me,, the rods are not really liteweight in it? heavy as heck i hope! you ever stall that 168 hp massey? It shouldnt know the sled is back there! unless your running over 10mph, it mite lug a bit,, dont it? what did u use to dyno it with? if the pto can hold, the big M&W dyno can hold the torque, your powershaft has to be renforced to do that thats why you didnt give it the full potential on all 4 cyls, if u were using a small pto dyno,, or fraid it would shatter the constant mesh gears in the tranny for the pto. U tell me? Not saying u didnt,, just asking why? would it live 2-3 minutes on the dyno at 540? Thats about how long one has to run for me to start to finish building the carb, tesing it,, and calibrating it all in, aint worried about the dyno,, worried about the tractor and if it would do it,, thats what i know,,,,, ive seen a lemmon that came in here to the shop, supposed to be OMG!! for what was done,, nope, dennys kit was better!! hahaha! leave the name at home, and bring the tractor, if theres a will theres a way. we are looking for reliability at that big ol hp ### whos gonna go, and who gonna blow. fact, or fiction. I can build a pto shaft that would break the transmission in two if tried to snap it. (for an M) leave the computer desktop dyno results home too. good massey sir! 84X2=168hp, give or take 2hp. ChadS

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Goldsburg

12-09-2004 14:56:00

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 10:12:48

ChadS -

You are overlooking one important thing: only the spark plug wires were pulled!

That means I had two 148 cubic inch air compressors pumping against the the other two cylinders AS WELL AS the dyno! I am "unofficially" saying that it was 180HP. And as tight as that motor ran then, it is probably tickling 200HP now.

I will know more this winter, now that I have head gaskets that can hold!

Regards,

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ChadS

12-09-2004 15:07:37

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Goldsburg, 12-09-2004 14:56:00

I hear ya,, still pretty potent though,, It hard to see a good big cubed massey in northern Indiana. especially a 44. As big as those blocks are tall,, those can do it, and would not have a hard time beliving it. A good stout stock 44, would run with an M anyday of the week in my opinion. Over 300psi in the massey? How has it been running? consistant? aint too many massey pullers on here, that are that strong. There is not much to the massey 44 pto, if the gears can handle it, a pto can be made to not break in 2. Was it on a pto dyno,, or engine itself?

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Mopower

12-09-2004 12:07:53

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 10:12:48

ChadS, come to the gold side of the force! 200 h.p. is acheivable in an M-M without mega-reving it. I"ve seen it first hand. As for building it? Nah, my stuff is barely over stock h.p. Pile of rusty fun! The 65 h.p. UB holds it"s own. Haha. Hoping the R will crank up real strong next year.

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ChadS

12-10-2004 17:14:03

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Now MOPOWER,,,,,,,,,,,,, in reply to Mopower, 12-09-2004 12:07:53

Oh yes, 200 hp is a walk in the park with a MM. Too bad I cant put a G engine in a Z rearend!! I had the chance to drive a MM G with a 800lp in it,, did not pull it,, just up and down the driveway in pulling gear, just cracked the throttle,,, and OMG! Sorry dude,, I cleaned off the seat! Our 856 aint like that. My gosh, the torque,,,,, , I have a good recipe for a 200 hp stock engined div 5 legal IH in mind for 4500??? Wont be a gas engine,,,, and it will bolt directly in the frame and the bell. 200 hp would be a walk in the park. IH's are back in the open classes, who will let em pull???? ChadS

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Maco

12-09-2004 15:04:08

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Mopower, 12-09-2004 12:07:53

If I had a M with 200 HP it would be in a class with the big heavy boys. 4500 and 5500# class should be left for smaller tractors. Come on and pick on someone your own size!!!!!

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ChadS

12-09-2004 16:10:35

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Maco, 12-09-2004 15:04:08

4000lbs, and road gear with an M? stock rpms, 20 over max?? mite be fun,, ChadS

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Smoker

12-10-2004 15:24:49

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 16:10:35

4000# 4 mph IH 460 dies at half track , sounds more your speed.

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ChadS

12-10-2004 16:47:14

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Smoker, 12-10-2004 15:24:49

Nitrous nozzle iced over,,, SHHHH!!!!! !! dont tell anyone!! 50 hp engine, + 150 hp Nitrous shot,, = dies at half track at 4mph, in the 4000lbs class. ChadS

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Shaggy

12-09-2004 06:40:17

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to PULLER, 12-09-2004 04:40:47

Thanks! I read on here that some of the huys have pretty stout stuff but never seen a lot of HP numbers over 125 give or take. And usually it takes some RPM's to get the big Horse right? I might get a chance to see what it is made of because he want my Nephew and my self to rebuild it.
Thanks again

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PULLER

12-10-2004 05:04:15

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to Shaggy, 12-09-2004 06:40:17

I would guess that you all are probably way over on estimated h.p. I would say it save to say a 4020 jd weighing 7500 and all the m in the pulling circuit, hook up to the sled and make a pass , the 4020 being 90 hp would be equal or out pull all then m ,and you say 200hp ?

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supermpuller4

12-10-2004 07:28:45

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to PULLER, 12-10-2004 05:04:15

I saw a MTA around 385 cu. out pull a 4020D at 8500lbs ,what was really funny he did it twice.

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Teddy (punchie)

12-10-2004 05:42:59

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Re: Fish tale or truth? in reply to PULLER, 12-10-2004 05:04:15

Not so sure, was at hookstown fair western PA .

Heavey class I think 10000. It was a 1066 in first ( by the way a was pulled twice by his brother he did better but only the first pull counted) 2nd & 3rd were M's , speed was low I think under 3 MPH if they were over they were throwen out.

Fight Nice Boys

Teddy

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