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ChadS and Goldsburg

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Indian Named, T

12-09-2004 18:33:19




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Now, I know you both. Although Chad is very eager to jump in and help everyone (possibly for self satisfaction, but never the less friendly and helpful) he may not always be right, but trys to break the grade 8 chain that raps the pullers that are selfishly be worded for personal (head swelling) gain. He should know that the un-godly compression he runs at just over stock rpm's is hurting his torque worse then the few grams extra the rods add. A well engineered/designed engine at a lower compression would last longer and pull better under the heavy loads exerted on a good tight track with a real sled. Then you Goldsburg, it's a open mouth insert foot situation with the "pulling two plug wires to dyno it". A 5th grade drunk nun on crack would know that any adjustments made to the carburetor with two wires off would be as worthless as hooking a John Deere H to a 10 bottom plow. You both are helpful in spreading the needed knowledge in the tractor pulling world, getting mad at each other is just everyone else waiting to see which one of you hang themselves with the bungy cord used to hold the weights on the tractor. You fellows are way more alike then different, so can't we all just get along? Even I have been wrong a couple of times!! Well once that I know of!

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Goldsburg

12-10-2004 05:52:32




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Indian Named, Two Dogs @#, 12-09-2004 18:33:19  
Listen my unnamed friend -

You are making a mistake jumping on my back.

I merely described what happened last summer, I did not say that was the RIGHT thing to do (dyno'ing with 2 spark plug wires off). Please re-read my post.

I said that I had to dyno with two wires off, just to get the dyno to hold the torque. Does that ring any bells? MY DYNO WAS UNDERSIZED! Don't you think that if I had access to a bigger dyno, that I would us it? DUH! I agree whole-heartedly that it was not the right thing to do, but given the circumstances and the time crunch, it was the ONLY thing that I COULD do!!!! I (much like Chad I would agree) had never had to dyno anything over 150HP before...

Stand back! Tthat front end is awfully high! Those bungees might break when she comes down!!!!

Quite honestly, I am personally offended at the comparison of myself to ChadS. If that is the truth, me thinketh I needeth another hobby

Regards,

Goldsburg

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Buzzman72

12-10-2004 06:17:28




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Goldsburg, 12-10-2004 05:52:32  
BOYS...Boys...boys. Listenin' to you boys jump all over each other quicker'n Sheriff Andy Taylor jumpin' the new school marm ain't all that entertainin'...What yer a-doin' is what we usedta call "bench racin'"...never proved a thing 'way back when, and it still don't. The mopar boys and the big-block Chevy boys usedta brag about what their RoadRunner or Chevelle engines dynoed at, too...but the proof was to be found on the pavement, not in the claims.

Best street racer of my era, locally, was an ol' boy with a 383 Roadrunner...he'd race on a local stretch of highway, with painted markings for the quarter mile, every weekend; if he won, he'd leave his setup alone...and if he lost, SOMETHING was getting rebuilt in his dad's machine shop come Monday morning...EVERY time. A few years later, he took what he'd learned, and put it into a Duster bodied racer in AHRA trim [old-timers might remember the AHRA], and ended up with a NATIONAL record holder for his class.

I guess what I'm saying is...anybody can say anything, and claim it's gospel. Those who can put it on the track and prove it are just a little harder to find.

And, about those old M&W kits...back in the day, Dad and Grand-dad put one in a local farmer's 450 Farmall...after 10 years in the field, it was at the local IH dealer's shop for some minor work when our two-bay garage was swamped, and for grins the shop foreman put it on the dyno...after 10 years of ACTUAL FARMIN', that tractor dynoed around 70 hp! Now, I never claimed to have built it, and I don't know just what tweaks and tricks they used...but the shop foreman called Dad up and wanted to know what the H311 they did to get that kinda hp out of a stock-rpm 450...Dad just told him it was all in knowin' how to tune 'em, and left it at that.

I remember 'em orderin' in the parts...and I remember the phone call from the shop foreman at Jacobi's. I just wasn't involved in what went on inbetween, so I don't know what "magic" worked and what didn't.

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Goldsburg

12-10-2004 08:58:56




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Buzzman72, 12-10-2004 06:17:28  
Buzzman -

I understand what you are saying about "bench pulling", but the fact is that I build my tractors, test my tractors, and pull my tractors. My tractor is currently in the garage torn down to be rebuilt with more improvements (as the guy in your story did!) after a summer of ironing out the bugs. I certainly don't think this qualifies me as a "bench puller" and just for the record: I know that ChadS is not strictly a bench puller, either.

ON EDIT: I think Bench Pulling would be a lot cheaper, though. What is the toughest: Oak or Hickory? ;^]

Regards,

Goldsburg

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Jak

12-10-2004 09:49:22




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Goldsburg, 12-10-2004 08:58:56  
Heck if we are going on cost go"Saw Mill"lumber.



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ChadS

12-09-2004 19:08:37




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Indian Named, Two Dogs @#, 12-09-2004 18:33:19  
I gotta tell ya,, Id like to see that massey pull! So would my brother in law! We built that 101 of his and they make some good pullers! and one built to the hilt,, well,, last one I seen ran with the tuggers a while back,, I think Truman Hawkins had it, and it was giving the big ollies fits! When Zody came out with the big ollies,, well the Massey disapeared,, Would have been a good match pull in my opinion!! 44 VS the 88 ollie. Anyone remember that 44 Hawkins had? 200hp massey 44, yes, and live to tell the tale, I just tune em,, I dont build them big anymore. That H of mine,, well, big as the come with out a deck plate, or spacing the crank down. And it runs real good, block leaks. and its keeping it parked until I figure out what to to. I miss my old 5-3/4 H engine!! LOL! was the best engine ever in it. I lost my torque, when i lightened the rods up,, just a bit bigger displacement,, 20psi more than the 5-3/4 engine, but the 5-3/4 engine had stock rods,, and that engine, was a lugger, and an rpm engine, the 5-3/4 motor had more lug power vs the bigger hp engine i have now. just too big now. fighting a fatal leak with the big bore and big stroke, another block is in the works. newer block. the 5-3/4 crank,, just might find its way back into service, then the torque will come back. it will lose a bit of hp,, but it wont miss it. will hook tires better, HMM made me think about my own tractor! i got an idea,,,,, ,,,,, ,, NP with Goldsburg, hes all right! ChadS

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Goldsburg

12-10-2004 05:44:02




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 19:08:37  
ChadS -

Who do you think built Truman's 44?

4.625 X 7.25 with a CR of 9.7 to 1

Your right about it not running with the Olivers! But at only 487 cubes, it was at a slight disadvantage!

Any other questions?

Regards,



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ChadS

12-10-2004 06:22:52




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to Goldsburg, 12-10-2004 05:44:02  
Goldburg,, I didnt mean to tick ya off! Two bulls in a pen here,, You built Hawkins 44? well if that was a few years ago, todays technology, would shatter anything built 10 years ago!! I had heard it was right a 500ci,, Brother in law is building a 44 now,, Nothing hard charging, but a good one I hope. ChadS



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Goldsburg

12-10-2004 08:49:13




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to ChadS, 12-10-2004 06:22:52  
"ChadS -

Who do you think built Truman's 44?

4.625 X 7.25 with a CR of 9.7 to 1

Your right about it not running with the Olivers! But at only 487 cubes, it was at a slight disadvantage!

Any other questions?

Regards, "

ChadS -

How do you interpret this as me being "ticked off"?

I think there are some people on this board that need to grow a little "thicker skin" (and not necessarily ChadS). This is of course, a tractor pulling message board! It is not for the faint of heart!

Regards,

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WILDMAN

12-10-2004 04:37:15




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to ChadS, 12-09-2004 19:08:37  
DID NOT KNOW YOU WAS HAVING WATER PROBLEM, SORRY TO HEAR THAT.HOPE YOU GET IT FIXED.



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ChadS

12-10-2004 06:32:59




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 Re: ChadS and Goldsburg in reply to WILDMAN, 12-10-2004 04:37:15  
Wildman, The bottom of the # 1 sleeve leaks water in the oil. drips after it is shut off, not while running. that big crank, shook the sleeve loose at the bottom. But that was using an H block!!!! Not a 350. Now,,, ive got a 350 block bored and resleeved,, but still designing to hold it together on the block deck. The lower end in the new block is good this time around,, there is plenty more meat in these blocks to do what I tried to do with the h block. the H block was thin at the bottom, and the 350 had more room for more,, I now have a .100 thicke sleeve in the new block, vs a thin sleeve in the H block, and hard blocked to hold it, the 350 block seemed to go together much easier to fit in the sleeve i wanted. It runs great! but I dont want to ruin a new crank! only got about 10 runs on it, but uh,, I sure miss that old engine I had in Something Wilder, what cant do with 125 hp,, that I can do with 100hp? Ill tell ya,, not break the darn thing! LOL LOL!! Will know more in January,, Got so much to do, dont have time yet,,, ChadS

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