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Blue sled @ Tunica.

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Jeff B.

12-16-2004 07:19:57




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I watched the blue sled alot at tunica and I saw alot of dishonesty with the guy driving the sled. The sled has an Agtronix box on it but the horn IS NOT automatic(Sorry Super Lurker) The guy has to push the buttom to blow the horn, I alss watch Keith Edens get screwed out of 1st place by the fellow from TN. I don't think it was his fault, I believe it was the guy on the sled. I looked at a video last night that a friend of mine made and Kieth had it won by 10ft!. I called a few friends down in KY and they told me what I suspected, the guy is a crook! I do know that Andy Teasly sold it a while back but I don't know the guy's name who bought it. I did notice that when a Moline that had Strokin on the side of it pulled, he didn't even look at the speedometer. I also noticed that there was about 250lbs difference between the two scales. The same guys in KY also told me that he screwed them up so he and a couple of freinds could pull in lighter classes. I was told that there was a club in TN whose scales were done like this too. I was informed that the guy with the Red Iron tractors was behind all of it. I haven't made the connection and I don't care but I really think this is an issue that needs to be address esspecially for a pull such as Tunica.

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Jak

12-20-2004 06:03:53




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
At a little pic nic pill here and there one may see some favoritism or oversights but who in thier right mind would even attempt to cheat when there are so many eyes and ears watching.Something this big couldn't get away with big mistakes and/or cheating.My.02



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Hayne Matthews

12-18-2004 15:48:36




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
Hey you gutless wonder, I have a response to your reply at the botton of this thread. Read it and reply.

Hayne Matthews
Mean Green Pulling Team



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Sweeper

12-18-2004 07:56:48




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
My name is Jim Broome and I go by Sweeper on the internet. Everything that happens at Tunica I have a hand in. I was on the score table during the class in question. All speeds and distances for the blue sled are recorded off a moniter on the table. On the two tractors in question, I walked over to the flagman to make sure if he stopped Ray or the tractor stopped itself. He did stop Ray, so he had a full pull. I went back to the score table and checked the rest of that class and no one made a full pull. Kieth was in second place. If you do come back to Tunica, you need to come see me when you have a problem and I think I can get you straight. Also I would like to know where you finished in that class. One more thing, DO NOT ever run down our pull or sled people again. You have nothing to back up what you say but a big mouth. Jim Broome

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Rahlo

12-18-2004 05:06:02




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
Let's see this is December 17, 2004 and the pull was December 3&4, 2004. Get over your cry babying and come next year. The scales may have been off but everyone who pulled on the blue sled went across the same scale and the same for the green. I'm sick and tired of the whining that has gone on. This is a top class event and I'm not involved in promoting it. As a matter of fact our team got it's butt kicked but guess what we're planing for next year already and looking forward to it. This is a fun time for all so if you don't like everything or maybe you got your butt kicked and can't take it, I've got an idea leave your tractor in the shed and park your gripping butt in the recliner and drink tea all that weekend next December. Thanks Mean Green for the FUN!!!! Keith I still think you're a class act.

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JEFF HALE

12-17-2004 15:19:30




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
JEFF B. YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY BUT THE FIRST THING YOU NEED TO SAY IS YOUR NAME EVERYBODY CAN SAY ALOT WHEN YOU HIDE YOUR NAME YOUR DOING ALOT OF ACCUSING BEHIND {JEFF B} YOU ALSO NEED TO READ WHAT "SOMETHING TO THINK OF HAD TO SAY ABOUT SLANDER"I AM THE OWNER OF THE BLUE SLED AND MY NAME IS JEFF HALE MY PHONE NUMBER IS 270-235-2099 AND MY E-MAIL IS milkman@hopkinsville.net. FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AT ANY TIME. THERE ARE THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GO AND BAD MOUTH SOMEONE. AND OF COURSE YOU CAN CONTACT US AT YEASTERDAY TRACTORS BUT YOU NEED TO BE A MAN AND LET ALL OF US FROM KY. KNOW HOW YOU ARE.IF ANYONE FEELS THAT THEY GOT CHEATED ON THE FOOTEGE OR THE MPH I HAVE GOT A AGRI-TRONIX BOX ON THE SLED AND A BOX WAS ALSO SETTING AT THE ANNOUCERS STAND THEY COULD SEE. IF THE MPH GOT OVER. THE HORN WOULD GO OFF AT THE TABLE TO. AS FAR AS THE MEASURE THEY READ THEM OFF THE BOX AT THE ANNOUNCER STAND IT IS ALL FEED STRAIGHT TO THEM FROM THE SLED I DON'T HAVE TO RELAY NOTHING TO THEM. THAT WAS THE REASON WE SPENT THE MONEY TO BUY THE BOX BECAUSE OF TRYING TO RELAY FROM THE SLED TO THE ANNONCER STAND .I HAVE SEEN THEM GET READ OFF WRONG AND I HOPE THAT I DIDN'T HAPPEN DOWN THERE BUT IF YOU THINK IT DID, ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS COME TO THE SLED AND I CAN PUNCH IT UP. MY BOX HAS A MEMORY THAT HOLDS 120 PULL. AS FAR AS THE HORN IT IS AUTOMATIC I CAN NOT CHANGE IT BY A FLIP OF A SWITCH I HAVE TO GO THREW THE BOX AND SET IT WITCH WOULD TAKE SEVERAL MINUTES. AS FAR A THE TRACTOR "STROKEN" REMEMBER I DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THE MPH BECAUSE IT IS AUTOMACTIC AND YES I DO HAVE A LOUDER AIR HORN ON THE SLED AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO FAST AND THE LITTLE HORN KEEPS BLOWING I THEN WILL BLOW THE LOUDER ONE JUST IN CASE YOU CAN'T HEAR THAT ONE. AS THE SCALES THEY HAVE BEEN SET AND CALABRATED THIS YEAR. AND FOR THE ONES THAT SAID I HAD THEM SET FOR MY TRACTOR KEEP IN MIND THAT I PULL A G MOLINE IN THE 7000LD AND UP TO 10000 AND THE TRACTOR ALONE ONLY WEIGHTS 5850 SO WHY WOULD I NEED THEM TO WEIGHT LIGHTER. I AM SORRY IF ANYONE FEELS THAT THEY GOT CHEATED BY ME OR THE MEAN GREEN TEAM. I THOUGHT EVER THING WENT SMOOTH FOR THAT MANY HOOKS. KEEP IN MIND BEFORE YOU GET ON HERE AND ACT LIKE KIDS YOU HAD THE CHANSE TO PROTEST IN PERSON AT THE PULL BUT YOU DESIDED TO VENT YOUR ANGRER ON THE WEB NOT A VERY BIG PERSON IN MY MIND. ANY QUESTION FROM ANY ONE FEEL FREE TO CALL US AT 270-235-2099 OR 270-348-4493

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Jeff Oliver

12-18-2004 16:26:34




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to JEFF HALE, 12-17-2004 15:19:30  
Jeff, I pulled your sled in Paris this year and I will attest to your sled,crew, and operation. We never had a moments problems with the scales and they were as accurate or better than most I have been over. I weigh my tractors on a certified scales every year and yours ae as close as I have seen to what the certified ones show.

This man puts on a class show and I can"t think of anyone who had a problem wih you in Paris. Haha and if there was a problem or "cheating" as this guy says trust me, my wife would have caught it ...LOL!!! You brought Hop town rules to the pull tha we didn"tunderstand at first but we know them now and will be ready next year!:) As faras I know The Paris club will be wanting your sled and crew again.

The horn on the blue sled, yup it"s loud! I have heard i before LOL!!!! Sounds like someone on here is whining....

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Hillbilly Hooker

12-17-2004 23:09:17




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to JEFF HALE, 12-17-2004 15:19:30  
This is all water under the bridge now. I dont think we need to point fingers. It is possible that there was a mixup in the distance recording. It does no good to fuss over this now. I am the one it concerned (Keith Edens) and I am happy. I think the Hale Brothers and the Mean Green both run topnotch operations. H.H.



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Bamapuller

12-16-2004 19:22:22




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
I have pulled the blue sled many, many times over the years and have never felt, not once, that I was cheated. I pulled when Andy owned it and now that the Hale's own it. Many things effect your distance pulled, but I've never had a problem with this sled or the owner/operator. If they were being dishonest, why didn't one of the KY. Molines win the KOH? If things were as you say, why didn't you go to the trailer and protest the sled to the man in charge? Also the scales have been approx. 200lbs apart every year of the Tunica pull.

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Super Lurker

12-17-2004 07:11:38




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Bamapuller, 12-16-2004 19:22:22  
Have to agree with Bama on this one. I have pulled that sled many times while Andy Teasley had it and now with the Hale Bros. and I have never had any reason to question the sled or whomever was running it. This doesn't hold water with me. The blue sled and MG have always been fair with me. Yes I told Spotter of some concerns that I had and he and other MG members have looked in to them and given me reasonable answers about them. JerryB--if you can prove what you say, carry it to MG and let them take care of it. Don't come on here and make charges if you can't prove it. To me you are running down a good sled and good people who are innocent until proven guilt. Let's see the proof. And yes the scales have always been 200lbs.+ apart.

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Super Lurker

12-17-2004 07:13:50




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Super Lurker, 12-17-2004 07:11:38  
SORRY---Jeff B. not Jerry B.



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joecool

12-16-2004 16:57:45




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
I was a innocent bystander that spent alot of time on the "stage" watching the agtronix. I was impressed with how it worked and it seemed that the horn was automatic, on that sled. If you noticed the measurements were way off. blue sled pulled 150 feet and green would pull 288. the reason is green sled measures box movement in inches with tape measure. it seems alot more "cheating" could have been on this sled. I watched tape also and the M does seem to stay ahead of everyone else. also rules stated that you could protest but protesters tractor would be checked first.

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Bamapuller

12-17-2004 03:50:03




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to joecool, 12-16-2004 16:57:45  
With the Ag-tronic readout on the scorers table, anyone who could see the monitor saw distance and MPH. If the speed was over after the cone, anyone on the trailer could see it. If there were constance speeding after the cone, Mean Green would have done something about it. Looking at a dozen tapes at home 3 weeks later does not mean the operator of the blue sled was cheating.



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12-16-2004 16:05:45




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
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CHEATERS AND LOSERS

12-16-2004 14:51:58




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
I HAVE PULLED FARMSTOCK FOR FIVE YEARS . I'VE BEEN SCREWED OUT OF THE TOP THREE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT.YOU TRY GETTING PULLING AGAINST OLIVERS AND M FARMALLS TURNING 5 GRAND OR MORE RUNNING ''FARM TIRES''. TUNICA IS THE FAIREST PULL FOR ANY OPEN CLASS PULLER TO GO TO. EVER ONE HAS BEEN SCREWED OUT OF A PLACE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. KEITH SAW WHAT HAPPENED, AND HE DIDN'T GRIPE!! I HAVE YET TO GO TO A PULL THE SCALES HAVE BEEN DEAD ON !! IT'S NOT THE MEAN GREEN'S FAULT , SO THERE IS NO REASON TO BLAME THEM FOR ANY THING. YOU TRY HOSTING A PULL OF THAT SIZE , SOME THING WILL GO WRONG. LET'S FACE IT SOMEONE HAS TO LOSE . I THINK YOU SHOULDN'T POINT FINGERS AT ANY ONE UNLESS YOU ARE THE ONE THAT GOT SCREWED. NO ONE IS TWISTING YOUR ARM TO GO BACK FOR YOU TO COME IF YOU CAN'T TAKE A LITTLE CHEATING ,BECAUSE IT IS EVRY WHERE , AND IN EVERY CLASS.IT IS NOT THE MEAN GREEN PULLING TEAM'S FAULT, DON'T BLAME THEM.

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LRN

12-16-2004 10:30:32




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 07:19:57  
I have never been to the Tunica pull but I would like to pull down there in a couple of years when I have more time. I can hardly imagine someone having an Agtronix set up and not having it hooked to the horn and having a second remote monitor at the broadcast site. That takes away any doubt that someone is favoring someone. We have run the Agtronix system for about 3-4 years with the remote monitor. The sled rider doesn't have to do anything but work the sled. This is a huge pull. SAY IT AN'T SO!!!!

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Lindley Clark

12-16-2004 13:42:31




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to LRN, 12-16-2004 10:30:32  
I pulled at Tunica and saw nothing that made me think I did not get a fair shake, and I did not win or even come close. I will admit that at other pulls several times I have felt something happen to the sled that made me wonder what was going on, but them are pretty hard accusations to prove my friends. I have also several times had my distance reported as less than a "home boy" tractor that I know I outpulled, but if you don't have someone spotting for you what are you going to do. You see the problem is that all this has gotten out of control. Its no longer fun and games its dog eat dog and whatever you can do to cheat will be done. People pulling $30,000 tractors in Farm stock classes and such, and that goes on everywhere. Maybe USAP has the right idea; run what you brung but pick your speed and tires. Of course that discourages many people who don't have the money to build a real puller from ever getting started. The bottom line is if you can't trust the sled operator you are sunk. At least in USAP the operators are third parties to the action and they don't care who wins.

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Jak

12-16-2004 14:22:06




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Lindley Clark, 12-16-2004 13:42:31  
Hey there L.C.,I was wondering how you did Sat at Tunica,we left before your class pulled.Jack(TN).



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Lindley Clark

12-17-2004 05:35:58




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jak, 12-16-2004 14:22:06  
Hello there Jack
I pulled 12 of 44 in the 4500 mod 4mph and 10 of 39 in the 4500 8mph. Not too bad for a "farm stock" Oliver I suppose. It was good to see you again, say hello to Michelle for us. Tell her we will need her help Memorial Day at Sugar Farm, that way you will have to come back.



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Jak

12-17-2004 06:17:26




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Lindley Clark, 12-17-2004 05:35:58  
Not too shabby for"Farm Stock"Lindley!I will tell her about Memorial Day(30th of May)and we may just come play in the Mississippi dirt if everything permits.I have been thinking about removing my front weight bracket and getting into the farm stock class,last time I pulled super farm.Keep in touch,Jack(TN). P.S.


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Lindley Clark

12-17-2004 11:42:14




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jak, 12-17-2004 06:17:26  
Jack

send me your email address so we can stay in touch.



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Jak

12-17-2004 12:50:42




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Lindley Clark, 12-17-2004 11:42:14  
I sent you an email but here it is again if it isn't right: rowcrop70gas@yahoo.com



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Eric Stephen/White Wheels

12-16-2004 11:40:05




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to LRN, 12-16-2004 10:30:32  
Its a sad and pathetic day, when the sled operator determines the out come of a tractor pull. All of us pullers have a set of rules that we must abide by and follow, I know that we push the envelope as far as we can, but a majority of us want to be fair and honest, because we love this sport. We as pullers take pride in our investments and tractors. I have often wondered about the sled operators hitting the brake pedal just enough to break the traction of a tractor pulling, it could very easily be done. If a sled operator is ever caught determining the out-come of a tractor pull, he should be lynched and banished, from the sport. I hope that everyone has a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years. sincerely Eric Stephen

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PULLER

12-16-2004 13:19:00




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Eric Stephen/White Wheels, 12-16-2004 11:40:05  
YES ,You are right according to what I saw also, Across the fence we had the same problem on the green sled.I have viewed 3 video, and I agree with you, cheet, cheet, cheet



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Jeff B.

12-16-2004 15:22:08




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to PULLER, 12-16-2004 13:19:00  
I'm not complaining because I didn't win. I'm sure the outcome of my pull wasn't determined by the sled driver, I'm just putting what I saw on the table. I can guarantee that the horn wasn't automatic. This isn't to say that it can't be made automatic with a flip of a stitch, but the ones that I spoke to that pull the sled alot confirmed what I saw and they said it happens alot. I also saw atleast 3 drawbars being raised after the tractors went across the scales. For a pull that has a $1500 KOH, it is a must to check hitches and weight after the tractor pulls. People cheat like crazy for a $5 trophy, now what will they do for $1500?

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Hayne Matthews

12-18-2004 15:46:17




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 15:22:08  
If you have any hair on your a$$ you need to do a few simple things.

1.Tell us your name, all the Mean Green members have, and others who are involved with your accusations have.

2. Show us the proof.

3. Tell us the names of the "other" people who agree with you so we can ask them their opinion.

My name is Hayne Matthews, I drive a Farmall Super M in the Farm Stock II classes. Wide frontend and white wheels. Now you know who I am, who the hell are you!!

If you have any guts at all you will reply, if you don't the people who know you will see how guttless you are.

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Cotton Picker

12-16-2004 17:04:25




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 15:22:08  
I was checking hitch height for king of the hill on the blue sled, I checked them at the scale and spot checked before they pulled, of the 30 or so I checked after the scales about half had to adjust their hitch lower. I was given a heads up before the pull so I was looking out for it. When I did see someone either moving weight or tinkering around the hitch I let them get through and walk away, then I went and checked, if it was high I went to them and asked them to lower the hitch.

All this bitchin and moaning should have been brought up as soon as it happened. Doing it this way just shows the whiners need to go change their diapers so they wont be so cranky. accusing someone with no evidence

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Cover UP

12-18-2004 05:51:38




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Cotton Picker, 12-16-2004 17:04:25  
If you found this cheating going on ,why didn't you disqualify the guilty pullers? If you had pointed it out to everyone we would know you are trying to run a honest pull.



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Hayne Matthews

12-18-2004 15:50:22




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Cover UP, 12-18-2004 05:51:38  
If you would read my post you will see that I got the pullers to correct the hitch height after I had rechecked them. Can you not comprehend that?



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Spotter

12-18-2004 10:54:17




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Cover UP, 12-18-2004 05:51:38  
joecool...the fact that we were checking and having them comply should be proof enough. We were not out there to see how many tractors we could disqualify. Had they not complied they would have been given the "boot". Disqualification has to do with "intent"...
Let's go to another subject...Spotter



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Just wondering

12-16-2004 15:41:45




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 Re: Blue sled @ Tunica. in reply to Jeff B., 12-16-2004 15:22:08  
If all that you say is true and you were a "puller", then why didn't you express your concerns at that time when something could have been done? It's much safer calling people crooks and cheats from your living room than to do it to their face, huh.



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