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Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them?

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Spectator at a

01-22-2002 20:23:02




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What makes the Oliver so good at pulling? Their motors seem to turn alot more rpms that other tractors. No one wants to compete with them. Did Oliver use a car motor that is easy to get the rpms and HP out of or what? What motor is in a oliver 88. I know they have sleeves. They are a light tractor, but you can't make an H run like that.




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minel palmer

11-06-2003 01:54:55




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 Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Spectator at a tractor pull, 01-22-2002 20:23:02  
88 standards just rule and have a bigg
herculies motor in em..... ..... there tough



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Todd

01-23-2002 13:29:12




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 Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Spectator at a tractor pull, 01-22-2002 20:23:02  
Like the other gentleman said in TRUE stock form all brands are close. When the modification begins, you have six cylinders to work versus two, or four (Deere being at the disadvantage due to two cylinders).The six cylinder Olivers can make some impressive horsepower, and turn some rpm. However, those tractors cannot match hp for hp against the bigger Molines and Cases (your dealing with a lot more cubes.) The crucial advantage of owning an Oliver (in my opinion) is the ability of 77 or 88 to get in the REAL light classes and with those high hp engines, pull in the high gears. You can't get a 900 Case in the 4000 lb. class. Like all the other brands you can tie up some serious money. Example: JD G with 412.5 cid modified to 800+ cid and at the most, have a 4th gear tractor at its LIGHTEST weight, while I've seen 88's pull in road gear.

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Greg H.

01-23-2002 13:00:37




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 Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Spectator at a tractor pull, 01-22-2002 20:23:02  
If the Oliver tractor, Farmall tractor, JD , or whatever tractor you want to pull is stock and of similar shipping weight and HP, there isn't a plug nickles worth of pulling potential difference between the brands. Balance and tires are key. Stock engine RPM's probobly isn't higher than 1700 in the 88, so all that high rpm crap you hear at the pulls arn't the way God and Oliver intended them to run. Everything else is just money, and alterations. However; Olivers seem to have relatively smaller CID in their 6 bangers. With the shorter stroke one could sermise that it would be relatively easy to boost RPM's. It does seem to be fairly easy to get extra HP out of an Oliver Compaired to some other brands, but it's probobly only my oppinion.
Later Greg H.

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LL

01-24-2002 18:19:02




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 Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Greg H., 01-23-2002 13:00:37  
Bull Pucky. Just look at most models of the JD 2 cylinders. On sticky power eating tracks, if the 2 cylinders are stock they aren't winners. If some other person says other wise, then they are either lying or are they in denial.



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Greg H.

01-25-2002 09:47:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to LL, 01-24-2002 18:19:02  
LL
you may be right, but out of the 12 pulls I attend a year, only 3 tracks are known to be consistantly sticky, and so called "power" tracks. At those tracks JD's 2 lungers do very well, especially in the 7500, and 9,000 pound class. However at the rest of the pulls, where tracks can vary from muddy conditions to dry loose dirt,especially in those lower classes,{5,000 to 6,000} an oliver 88 or Farmall M is more consistant, due to the groundspeed issue. Now if you think differently than obviously you haven't seen what I have, or you may be the one in denial. In any event noone pulls stock, so the whole point is meaningless. At any rate have a good day, Greg H.

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ACPuller

01-25-2002 17:18:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Greg H., 01-25-2002 09:47:39  
I pull a stock D-17 which is really stock. Whether anyone believes me doesn't matter. I KNOW mine is stock. When I pull against stock 2 bangers they fall on their face when on hard pulling tracks. I know the other pullers pretty well and know the purely stock from the not quite so stock tractors. Do you pull?



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LL

01-25-2002 14:25:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Greg H., 01-25-2002 09:47:39  
I own an A JD and have pulled against plenty of 2-cylinder tractors and beleive me if they aren't hopped up then they don't win on power tracks. If you witness different then your fooled by the guy who says "Mine is pure stock".



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Todd

01-26-2002 15:36:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to LL, 01-25-2002 14:25:49  
Apparently you haven't pulled a slow A, 60, or 620. They won't power out in slow gear.



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ACPuller

01-26-2002 23:55:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Todd, 01-26-2002 15:36:20  
I have seen 60's power out plenty most years but last year it was so dry here that there were no power tracks haven't seen a 620 pull in years cause collectors have em all.



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SteveV

01-26-2002 16:44:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Todd, 01-26-2002 15:36:20  
I pull a 1951 "A" in Division II...we pulled it 21 times last year on every kind of track you can think of and I never powered out. We even finished 1st a time or 2. It's a stock tractor, no power block, stroking etc. Some of the announcers make fun of me when I'm going down the track so slow but that's ok, I have the last laugh.



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jeff

02-01-2002 18:08:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to SteveV, 01-26-2002 16:44:36  
ya know. I have a Oliver 77, JD 720 on propane,,Farmall H and a couple of Molines. I have powered out on most of them although the 720 didn't. They are all bone stock and although we dont win alot we have alot of fun. The Oliver has outpulled several "stock" tractors of every color there is but to be honest that creeper gear in the JD's is hard to beat if the person had the right tires an weights on it. Of course I am pulling off of the stock hitches also and athough that hurts me I still have a good time. Now the 720 , I pulled in farm stocl 8000 lb. I was back to about half throttle when it spun out but that is a weight issue. Thing is if they are tuned right and in the right weight division even a stock one will not lose power. Change any varible and it can be a different issue.

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nothing

01-23-2002 12:46:44




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 Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Spectator at a tractor pull, 01-22-2002 20:23:02  



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Tony460

01-23-2002 11:26:21




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 Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Spectator at a tractor pull, 01-22-2002 20:23:02  
One thing to remember about tractor pulling..On any given day any given tractor can get just the right bite. It is just like automobile racing. So many variables. A boat load of experience and guess work. Oops I forgot a bigger boat load of luck.

But I can tell you, I have seen H's pull further than 77's and 88's. There is some truth to the statement, 'Money buys horsepower; how much money can you spend?'

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Dave 2N

01-23-2002 14:53:12




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 Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Tony460, 01-23-2002 11:26:21  
Right away on an H outpulling a 77 or 88!!! I've got a big bridge here that I'll sell anyone that wants it, too.
I have a Super C that has outpulled H's.



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jeff

02-01-2002 18:16:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Dave 2N, 01-23-2002 14:53:12  
Well I am not buying your bridge but I have seen an H outpull a 77 (It happened to me) Of course I was bone stock and he was farm stock with the right tires so I expected it. heck we got a guy down here with an A-C B that outpulled a WD45 one time. Way off of pure stock but it did happen.



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still talkin'

01-23-2002 12:28:49




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 Re: Re: Oliver 88, 77 what's so hot about Them? in reply to Tony460, 01-23-2002 11:26:21  
And I guess once upon a time a cow jumped the moon
and they are still talking about that one too!



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