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A.P.

02-01-2002 19:08:55

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I am looking at building a diesel equipped with energy cells. I know that it is fairly easy to over fuel them. I am planning on increasing air flow and cubic inches (by about 1/3 or a little more). Can the energy cells be changed for large capacity ones? Is there someone that does a good job of working on the fuel pump (American Bosch) and the injectors? Does anyone have any other suggestions? Respond off line if you would like.

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A.P.

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Earl

02-02-2002 17:40:47

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Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-01-2002 19:08:55

The way I have always known them is by powercel diesels. From what I know about these diesel engines your best bet is to get your pump set as precise as possible and leave your air flow and cubic inches alone (basically factory settings). You probably know that turbo charging one is useless, This is beacuase the air becomes to dense in the chamber and your fuel can not penetrate correctly into the powercell making the fuel burn incorrectly. So if you put a bigger piston size in a smaller engine and leave everything else alone it is almost the same as a turbo. When Case turboed the 1200 they had to move the powercell closer to the injector and still they only gained 20 HP that was a 451cid engine same as a 1030 only with a turbo. It is kind of hard to explain how it all works but I do know it is a very hard engine to modify. From what I have seen they perform best at factory settings. Hope this helps.

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A.P.

02-02-2002 15:16:46

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Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-01-2002 19:08:55

I am still looking for useful information. Those that replied so far should go back and rewatch the movies.

A.P.

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J T

02-02-2002 18:58:32

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-02-2002 15:16:46

G Taylor Knows everything so there is no energy cell

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G Taylor

02-02-2002 21:37:18

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Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to J T, 02-02-2002 18:58:32

Could have just said indirect injection or pre-combustion chamber. Who ever named the thing must have be British. For some unknown reason they call a truck a "lorry",french fries "chips", an elevator a "lift", hood of the car or truck the "bonet",the trunk a "boot" and pudding "spotted dick".

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A.P.

02-03-2002 04:05:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G Taylor , 02-02-2002 21:37:18

Your right, I could have if I had thought to do it originally. Then again if you had thought about it a bit you could have asked if that was what I meant. I think we should put it behind both of us and move forward.

A.P.

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confused

02-03-2002 12:59:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-03-2002 04:05:28

So it is a time machine your buildin than A P

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A.P.

02-03-2002 17:05:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to confused, 02-03-2002 12:59:25

Dear Confused:

To keep things simple - NO! Not this week, that was last week. Or was that next week?

A.P.

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confused`

02-03-2002 20:44:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-03-2002 17:05:27

now thats concerving your energy cells

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A.P.

02-04-2002 02:34:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to confused`, 02-03-2002 20:44:53

Don't worry our energy cells will never run out especially the gray ones. Just remember, they are better if used once in a while just like most rechargeable batteries. Just ask your future seklf about it when you meet him.

A.P.

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G.Taylor............never heard of a diesel with an energy cell

02-02-2002 16:10:13

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-02-2002 15:16:46

We all figured your question was a "crank" posting with the refence to diesel "energy cell" which only exists in science fiction. What component(s) are you working with?

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A.P.

02-03-2002 04:16:05

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Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G.Taylor............never heard of a diesel with an energy cell, 02-02-2002 16:10:13

I am working with a six cylinder engine that I will be taking from 265 to 390 cubic inches. I will be using a better flowing head with the necessary port and valve work along with better flowing intake and exhaust manifolds. All will be factory parts.

The way things are going I will probably start calling the bigger name diesel fuel injection shops next week to see if anyone knows anything about the energy cell/Lanova/pre-combustion chamber system. I may also find a cell out of a 1030 Case or a 705 MM and see what is different about them and whether they will fit.

I'm guessing that there were probably only two or three physical external dimension sizes available. The size of the spherical chamber was probably available in several sizes to accomodate different horsepower settings.

A.P.

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Slo

02-02-2002 18:40:27

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Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G.Taylor............never heard of a diesel with an energy cell, 02-02-2002 16:10:13

Then energy cell diesel exists in the real world. It's called the Lanova system.

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A.P.

02-02-2002 16:31:47

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Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G.Taylor............never heard of a diesel with an energy cell, 02-02-2002 16:10:13

An energy cell is sometimes also referred to as a pre-combustion chamber. The diesel fuel is injected straight across the combustion chamber into the enegry cell where combustion starts. It was used in early Oliver (66, 77 & 88), Case (500, 600, 900, 930, etc.) and Moline (GBD, GVI & ?)tractors instead of direct injection. I am sure some other tractors used them as well. The problem is that if you put too much fuel into them you start to loose power very quickly. I am looking at trying to take a tractor that is about 55-60 hp. and build it up to near 100 hp. About the region of a MM 705 or a Case 1030.

Thank you,
A.P.

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Slo

02-02-2002 18:43:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-02-2002 16:31:47

I have heard of a guy who spent TONS of money on the head and pistons on one of these. He basically turned it into a compression fired diesel, but left the trappings for the Lanova system there to fool the competition. Don't know if he had to beef up the bottom end or not.

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G Taylor

02-01-2002 20:34:30

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Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to A.P., 02-01-2002 19:08:55

Depends on the flux density & if vertical,horizontal or circular polarity of the neutron flux. If using standard patented Telsa spherical shaped chamber with 30 tera quad gause magnetic containment & the standard octagonal damper winding configuration with a 300 mega hertz resonate frequency. If efficiency can be kept to below 3db loss on the 1st harmonic frequency and injection of anti protons at a rate of 3log7 coulombs per micro second net power output could be doubled at an expense of 215% more fuel per tera watt/second. If the cryogenic storage has the capacity to supply the extra flow.

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smoker

02-02-2002 20:21:12

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G Taylor , 02-01-2002 20:34:30

You guys are cracking me up. This is great stuff.

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Goldsburg

02-02-2002 07:25:18

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G Taylor , 02-01-2002 20:34:30

From what G Taylor has described, it sounds to me like your Energy cell diesel would make a damn nice particle accelerator (with the right mods)....

Regards,

Goldsburg

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JHH

02-02-2002 03:28:54

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G Taylor , 02-01-2002 20:34:30

With 215% increase in fuel you will bend the compression before you double the power output. My opinion - JHH

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Confused

02-02-2002 02:53:45

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Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to G Taylor , 02-01-2002 20:34:30

Are we buildin a puller here or a time travel machine.

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Einstein

02-02-2002 08:31:09

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Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to Confused, 02-02-2002 02:53:45

With the right flux capacitor we could do both. By realigning the space time continum we can change the weight of the sled to be lighter and get a better pull. Naturally we'll change it back before the next guy.

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Dave H

02-02-2002 18:50:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to Einstein, 02-02-2002 08:31:09

This is the best post I have seen in a long time.I just laughed out loud for 5 minutes-great entertainment!

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Bob

02-02-2002 20:25:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to Dave H, 02-02-2002 18:50:45

No kidding Dave, its hilarious, im still laughin at all this engineering brilliance

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puller

02-06-2002 21:09:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Energy Cell Diesel in reply to Bob, 02-02-2002 20:25:00

If you can't out pull them, then baffle them with bull$&it!

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