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Jon D

02-05-2002 15:16:45




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Hey everyone. I just have a question about tractor pulling in general. I enjoy watching the antique tractors pull, but when I see antique tractors that are stripped of everything they came with and are all fueled up, it seems like it ruins the whole idea. I always thought the ones that came right out of the feild and were used in tractor pulls were neat, because you could actually compare brands. However, when I see these tractors that are modified to the point they can't be used for actual farm work, it makes me wonder if seeing them being scrapped would be much worse. This is just my view on it, but what are your views? I'm not trying to start an argument so don't take it that way.

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redhead

02-08-2002 18:02:59




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 Re: Just a question........ in reply to Jon D, 02-05-2002 15:16:45  
I've read all the posts up to now, and here's my 2 cents.

First of all, what is STOCK - OUT OF THE FIELD? Does anyone remember M&W? With STOCK M&W parts and later IH production 450 parts, any M will make 60-70+ hp and pull a plow all day, every day, with maybe a few less total hours between overhauls.

Secondly, STOCK - OUT OF THE FIELD is no longer M's, WD-45's, 88's, G's, and so forth if your trying to say "This is what I currently farm with to make a living". Heck, 1066-1206's are a thing of the past.

Thirdly, man is man, this is not IROC Racing, we are free to tune to our pleasure. This is where the fun, competition and satifaction comes from.

Fourthly, these tractors are called ANTIQUES because they are a thing of the past that we still hold near and dear. We love them in our own way. And, yes in deed, we save they from the melting pot.

Lastly, the fact that you can take a STOCK machine, bore it .375+ over, stroke it 1.000+, change head/carb/cam, turn only 10-30% over the original rpms, double the horsepower, and still run it as long as you want without over-heating speaks volumes for the engineering/potential/thought/foresight that went into the design of these old beasts.

If you try to modify a 2002 engine with these parameters, and expect similar results, your just pi$$ing in the wind.

We love, compete, restore, and overall market the whole ANTIQUE TRACTOR cause!

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WTW

02-06-2002 09:45:41




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 Re: Just a question........ in reply to Jon D, 02-05-2002 15:16:45  
Before anyone gets all worked up about altering and modifying these old tractors stop and think about it, the ones that are, just made the ones that are not, that much more valuable. I personally collect and have restored pieces that I show and have detailed right down to the square headed bolts and cloth covered spark plug wires, an example is my 1938 BI one of 183 built. I also have modified unstyled B pulling tractors with modified bores and stokes doubling the original cubic inches. I take both the BI and the pullers to shows and get allot of nice complements on both and the interesting part is, when they get done looking at the BI they take pictures of the Pullers and don't the rare mint restored antique. Go figure!! If it makes anybody feel any better I built both my B's and many others from bare bone parts and the tractors that these parts came from had already been sacrificed for parts tractors in salvage rows. Just to let people know that when they see a pulling tractor that don't always mean a rare antique was sacrificed. I my case it is just the opposite. The important thing is to have fun with what is yours and don't worry about what the other guy thinks!! Dave W.

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JDGnut

02-06-2002 13:12:13




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 Re: Re: Just a question........ in reply to WTW, 02-06-2002 09:45:41  
Dave... I was at a friends last week picking up some parts.. and he had some pics to show me... the first one I pulled out was of your Double Barrel B puller... and I was telling him about your BI.. haha.. it was the next pic.. had U and your wife's name on the plague on the front.. haha... Dad and I were flipping through a book the other day.. and they had a pic of a BI... I was like.. Dave has a tractor just like that.. haha... Dad say yea.. that's what the caption says too.. hahaa... Nice machines... the pullers.. and the showwers.... JDGnut

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Greg H.

02-06-2002 09:19:20




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 Re: Just a question........ in reply to Jon D, 02-05-2002 15:16:45  
Jon D
I wish there were more people that would pull stock, because it is more interesting to compare the models and brands, and their actual pulling ability. However it just doesn't work that way. Human nature is to compete, and after a while of getting beat by the non farming tractors you either quit pulling or start enhancing your tractors performance. Some say that stock tractor pulling is like watching grass grow or paint drying, but I like it. I feel it is interesting and an actual display of history and what these machines were disigned to do, rather than what they were later capable accomplishing after the engines are blueprinted. again to each his own, Greg H.

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Gary

02-06-2002 04:03:45




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 Re: Just a question........ in reply to Jon D, 02-05-2002 15:16:45  
Look at it this way alot of tractors now pulling
probaly wouldn't have been restored back to original condition but would have been scrapped
out.25 years ago when I first started gathering
up tractors I was competing at auction with scrap
dealers.Folks interest in tractor pulling have saved thousands from being turned into Toyota hubcaps.



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Jerry B

02-06-2002 06:06:02




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 Re: Re: Just a question........ in reply to Gary, 02-06-2002 04:03:45  
Gary,
Amen on that. If a person wishes to farm he has no use, or very little use, for the old stuff. If we didn't save them from the melting furnace, then the old tractors would be lost forever.



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chad

02-05-2002 21:38:54




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 Re: Just a question........ in reply to Jon D, 02-05-2002 15:16:45  
think of it this way we mod tractors up to make things fun after all there is only so many times a person can walch the same tractor power out at the same point in the track year after yearas for stock tractors thiers lots of classes that realy are stock ...mostly smaller classes tho...each to there own...differnt tools for differnt fools etc.etc.etc....chad,,



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JDGnut

02-06-2002 07:26:53




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 Re: Re: Just a question........ in reply to chad, 02-05-2002 21:38:54  
I see both sides. .that is why most places have classes where everyone can pull.. the stock. (out of field) classes.. and the the more modified classes.. Most of the Modified class tractors could never have been restored back to 100% (or even close) orginal.. maybe close.. but not enough for some.. If you check close..I bet 99% of the pullers have a stock (or very close to it) restored tractor in the barn... just my .02$...
JDGnut

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