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BUCKMASTER

04-28-2005 18:39:50




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CHAD THE GUYS I WORK WITH IS TRYING TO GET ME TO HOOK NOS UP ON MY SUPER M I TOLD THEM I WANTA COME UP WITH SOMEPTHING NEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I BULD A HALO AROUND MY K/N AIR FILTER AND PLUMED IT WITH 100% OXYGEN MAKE THE HALO MABE3 INCHES BIGER THEN THE FILTER JUST TO GIVE IT A FRESH BREATH WHEN PULLING NOT A LOT BUT HAVE A REGULATOR ON IT MABE 3-4-5-6 OZ I DONT KNOW IF IT HAS EVER BEEN DONE BUT ALL NOS DOES IS INHANCE THE OXYGEN FOR A BETTER BURN I DONT KNOW IF IT WILL WORK OR NOT ANY INPUT WILL HELP MABE I SHOULD TRY ONE ON A BRIGGS FIRST LOL THANKS

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buickanddeere

05-02-2005 09:09:05




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
If 100% oxygen worked, why are nitrous oxide kits sold instead of oxygen kits? The inert N2 in nitrous buffers and controls flame speed and temp. You maybe able to sneak a few hp with just a nitrous kit. The carb will have to jeted grossly rich to the begining of significant power loss. Then add nitrous but don't get greedy and try to much nitrous and get the air/fuel mixture too lean. Too lean will increase engine internal temps and make the air/fuel mixture more prone to detonation. Somebody may ask why the smoke disapeared and the engine power picked up while you are secretly pushing the nitrous button.

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G/MAN

05-02-2005 07:54:23




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
You don't want more oxygen without adding more fuel. All you'll do is lean out the engine and break parts. Nitrous-oxide adds more oxygen to the mix and in sufficient quantities will consume whatever fuel is available, including combustible aluminum pistons. The nitrogen (inert gas) in the nitrous-oxide mix helps control combustion. Injecting pure oxygen isn't too smart.



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jdt

04-30-2005 06:05:35




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
I Ran NOS on a stock M it worked really well. due to the fact of hideing the system I ran one fogger nozell inside the air intake tube and let the governers control rpms otherwise they really rev. My one recamendation is to be sure you turn on the gas to the carb. I had a few too many one day at a dead weight pull and forgot. If anyone has ever seen a nitrous explosion it will throw the air cleaner top at least 200 feet in the air. LOL

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AC

04-29-2005 06:41:00




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
Better read MICHIGAN MADMAN by E.J. Potter first before you pour Nitros to a briggs or Wisconsin...seems some of them have a wonderful extra spark on exhaust stroke or something like that..about damn near blew him up..lol..great book..Tose of you who have been around might have known E.J. Potter as the guy who ran the "Ugly Tractor" and "Double Ugly" Modified Allison equiped pulling tractors in the early 70's..ChadS probably seen him run when he was a little kid.

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dej(JED)

04-29-2005 05:05:43




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
I wouldn't go that route. A regulator is one thing , but you need the carb to draw what it wants, when it wants it. If you throw a constant flow at the carb, it will be too much one time and not enough the next. You are however on the right track. I have a tank rigged up where we evaporate DI water. It of course creates H2O gas. An outlet line alows the carb to pull this mix from the air cleaner. The other item that we have installed is an exhaust stack burner, which aides in burning any unburnt fuel. It is simply a spark plug in the exhaust powered by a coil. It is a real crowd pleaser too when you turn it on .

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Drew

04-28-2005 19:18:30




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
third party image

I think the picture is worth a few more than 1,000 words..... ..



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the preacher

04-28-2005 18:48:25




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 18:39:50  
nitrous oxide is an oxygenator. it creates more oxygen in the combustion chamber. it has to be used in conjunction with fuel injection, usually combined with the nitrous, in order to maintain the proper fuel/air ratio. if you try it on a briggs engine, please take pictures. i would love to see what happens.(i personally would wear a bullet-proof vest and helmet)



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BUCKMASTER

04-28-2005 20:13:26




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to the preacher, 04-28-2005 18:48:25  
MABE I WONT TRY IT WAS JUST ASKING THANKS



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ChadS

04-29-2005 06:36:30




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to BUCKMASTER, 04-28-2005 20:13:26  
No, I wouldnt put NOS on it,, Id put the SM on alcohol (methanol) if you want something different. 10-15 hp increase if done right,,,, ChadS



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dej(JED)

04-29-2005 11:01:55




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to ChadS, 04-29-2005 06:36:30  
Chad----Don't you think your 10 to 15 HP increase on Methanol is a bit much? I have done a lot of fuel blends and dyno runs using Methanol , Ethanol, Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether, Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether and many other oxygenated compounds and we don't see more than a 5 to 6 HP increase on our engines.



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ChadS

04-29-2005 14:24:49




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to dej(JED), 04-29-2005 11:01:55  
It takes a well built carb, but yes, I stand by it. I ran alky in my stock C164 for the first 3 years of pulling, on gas, 43hp, on alky was 55. It took 2 years to build the carb just right to get it to flow! ChadS



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ChadS

04-29-2005 14:39:59




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 Re: ? FOR CHAD.S OR ANY ONE THAT MAY KNOW in reply to ChadS, 04-29-2005 14:24:49  
Also, after it was said and done, the carb bowl could flow so much fuel, and, as much as it takes to run,, the Super H would gulp about 2.5-3 gallons of alcohol in one pass! Sure ran good on it,, it sounded like a top fuel draggster when it idled. On a 90 degree day,, everyone else was getting hot and steaming the radiators,, I had to put a bag over the whole radiator to get the engine to warm up enough fire the charge. Never got off the cold mark on the guage after 20 minutes with the radiator blocked off. Engine had 160 psi of compression. ChadS

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Oscar meyer

04-29-2005 18:44:14




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 Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to ChadS, 04-29-2005 14:39:59  
...the superstock/ div4 / alky burner / farm stock H couldnt even pull all the BS he has .... even with 10-15 more HP. LOL.... did this guy eat lead paint chips as a kid? Oh well what the heck we always get a good laugh out of it...



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ChadS

04-30-2005 07:45:11




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 Re: Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to Oscar meyer, 04-29-2005 18:44:14  
Oh, Im sure Ive got an H that can pull any division and make an impression. Spent way too many days in the sun at the pulls man!!! Brains fried, and all thats left is pulling! Burned right in,,, Mite be one too many sips from the ethanol,,, No, Just kidding,, It was entertainment to run alky. Left everyone scratching their heads,, and minus their entry fees most times,,,,, I ,, still have the carb that I used to run it, and the same tractor,,, Id think about proving it, if it is that unbelivable. ChadS

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AC

04-29-2005 22:12:19




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 Re: Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to Oscar meyer, 04-29-2005 18:44:14  
Just remember, yall, Oscar Meyer is in all reality, just a weiner.....LOL..AC



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FB

04-29-2005 20:08:17




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 Re: Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to Oscar meyer, 04-29-2005 18:44:14  
Oscar meyer has obviously never been on this board before



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yeoman

05-03-2005 12:00:18




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 Re: Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to FB, 04-29-2005 20:08:17  
How is the amount of time anyone spends posting here, or anywhere, have any relevance to knowing anything. WAJ. best, Phil



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Just Curious

04-30-2005 20:39:35




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 Re: Chad S has so much BS .... in reply to FB, 04-29-2005 20:08:17  
Maybe Oscar is like some of the rest of us,tired of "the tractor that..." and pure lack of technical skills of someone incapable of figuring compression ratio, but is only able to read a compression gauge,and by some act of GOD is able to determine a comp. ratio from that reading.HOW THE HECK would you design an engine from scratch this way? A real answer would be appreciated!



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