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Cut tire VS Non cut and speed limits

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CLIFF

05-03-2005 06:18:37

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Here in central Pa we have a lot of fine clubs to pull at for FUN and the rules are generaly the same theres a couple places that we pull that seperates tires top cut vs new (well non altered)and things run well there,lots of tractors and little to argue about, One is strick on there RPMs (10%over) the other has a 3mph on evin classes(like 5000lbs) and no speed or rpm limit in odd classes (like 5500lbs), and most others clubs now have a 3.5 mph and dont seporate tires but do have a seporate class for 39 and older tractors that they couldnt compete with newer tractors, and last sunday we went to a pull that has seporated there speeds and knot tires this year a 3.5 and a 4mph class and there was confusion about what class they wanted to pull for points in so end result wassome classes had 1 or 2 in and the other mph of the same weight class had 8 or 10 and the track had a lot of grip that dayso the guys with mostly stock tractors and non altered tires went 50foot or so and the more poweful with cuts went a 160 feet and the guy with noncuts and no class saythey will leave them home its a shame that with rising cost of incurance and flue that some people just think of themself to go fASTER and get easyier throphy and drive away new intrest in pulling,Its like one guy said the worse tractor in the cut tire class usualy beets the first place noncut by 20 feet and more speed makes it a greater gap, i told the club members that they needed a 3mph non cut class and a 4mph cut class, Other sports have a place to get a start and dont throw a someone new in with the pros. CLIFF

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jd b puller

05-03-2005 19:49:48

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Re: Cut tire VS Non cut and speed limits in reply to CLIFF, 05-03-2005 06:18:37

Personally, I think that NONCUT tires is one of the silliest rules I have ever seen! I think the idea when it came out was that it was supposed to be in the lower classes to help keep the costs down. All this does is force people to... 1- spend an eternity trying to find the right set of tires cuz they are hard to find, or 2- find a decent set of tires, cut them and then try to cover it up (cheat) and call them "road worn". 3. Buy a new set.

The more rules you have the more people try to force the issue - The topcut rule came about because so many people claimed their tires weren"t cut, they were road worn.

The one nice thing about uncut tires is it makes you think your tractor has more power than it really does because there is such a difference in tractive effort of the cuts vs. non-cuts. Maybe someday people that make the rules will realize what is going on and agree with me. But I doubt it. (My experience has been) that the people on the rules committes are typically (Don"t get your feathers all ruffled up if this doesn"t apply to you) people that run the more advanced classes, so the whole noncut tire doesn"t really matter to them. Kind of like the Engineers that I work with that don"t have the slightest idea how something is assembled, just what it looks like on a computer.

Speed limits and RPM"s - the great equalizer. Go ahead and pull your Oliver 88 (or Farmall M, WD45, Moline) against me in 3500# class at 3.5 MPH. I don"t care if you want to run a 560 IH with the 500HP truck engine in it. You can only put so much power to the ground at 3.5 MPH.

ok, soapbox completed. Sorry to ramble on so long.

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CLIFF

05-04-2005 06:51:51

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Re: Cut tire VS Non cut and speed limits in reply to jd b puller, 05-03-2005 19:49:48

I can understand about your top cut tire class jd b puller but i had both types of tractors there last sunday the cut tire super C got 3 2nd place finishes the mostly stock finished close to last and there were a lot of tractors that should had been in this class and like i said most wont show up again and thats lost money to keep the club running, It dont matter to me i can pull with the best ones in our class and i have others that are a threat to win every time BUT the new people are going to take a beating only so long and the idea is to have fun!!! The only thing with our aera is the clubs that seporate tires you never hear a complanit and there tractor count keeps growing!!!

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M-6

05-05-2005 10:03:20

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Re: Cut tire VS Non cut and speed limits in reply to CLIFF, 05-04-2005 06:51:51

I agree with JD B that non-cut tire is hard to police, but in our case it is well worth the hassle. Over the past five years, I think that our pull has grown more than most other clubs - in fact many of the others have had reduced numbers from what I'm hearing. YES - it does cause some contraversy and a few people have quit coming because they have disagreed on our decisions on some tires. But we have won back MANY old antiquer "show and farm types" that quit 5-10 years ago because they got tired of being whipped by the "for pulling only" tractors.

Once in a while tractors that usually pull with cut tires get a different set of tires and pull in the un-cut class, but they usually have their rear end handed to them because they have too much power and are weighted wrong - just sit on top and spin. TIRE SIZE, TIRE CUT, and PACE will put 99% of the tractors in line and even the playing field anywhere you pull. RPM's, the aftermarket parts police, and other such nonsense just adds to the confusion and nitpicking of a pull. The less rules you have the more you can enjoy watching the pull instead of spending half your day trying to stick your nose under someone else's hood to see if they're legal. I agree that there is a safety factor with no RPM limits, but as far as distance down the track I don't feel that 10% versus 20 % makes much of a difference when you're looking at pace classes.

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