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Puller

02-27-2002 06:43:54

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Why not just fine cheaters like nascar, but disqualify also. To fine someone and let them keep there win is just a win that they paid money for. I think $100 and disqualify them and the cheaters would think twice about it... Then donate the $100 to a good cause. I went to a pull were they didn't use the scales I seen a 560 Farmall with weights pull against a Avery A that was stripped to about 2700 pounds. There is way to much cheating in pulling..

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farmallgod

03-04-2002 20:25:41

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

The way I see it the only reason these "hot rods" pull with us in the stock classes is because thats all they can afford. They can't afford to "step it up" and go pull in the NTPA or the jasper series or something like that.Those of us who don't cheat should just ignore the stupidity and just laugh when they dump thousands of dollars into an engine an the first time they pull it throws a rod through the block,like the G that blew in half just laugh and think of the money the guy wasted. I could afford to build one of these but I don't cause i'm here for the fun and the self gratification of knowing my stock MD has beaten those Hot Rods and to see those guys faces when I blow past the cone indicating the leader and I go out the gate. It doesn't take 10 grand to build a good motor at least I can use my when I get home. Sorry so long. This whole thing just chaps my a_ _!

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BUD BARENIE

03-05-2002 20:21:35

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to farmallgod, 03-04-2002 20:25:41

THAT'S A STRAIGHT UP, ANSWER !!! HOW MUCH IS A NUFFF!!!

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Amused by the armchair pullers

02-28-2002 02:29:52

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

I think the whole works of ya are a little on the wannabe side. If ya all were so much in the KNOW, you all would be in your shops(if ya had one) workin on your pullers and not sittin here on the sissy bar talkin tough throwin those keyboard punches at one another. What do ya think this is anyways, the wwf or what. I use to read the comics on my coffee breaks, but heck, you guys got them all beat big time

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Lenny

02-28-2002 15:27:41

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Amused by the armchair pullers, 02-28-2002 02:29:52

The wannabe side eh? Since you read comics on your coffee breaks I guess you work at the plant in the city...got a little shop out back where you tinker with your tractor that hasn't pulled a plow in 30 years...and never will or it would blow a head gasket in 20 minutes. Those cut tires are great for the track but lousy down on the river bottom pulling 3-14s. Our sport has gotten far away from how it started and is now ruled by the high performance speed shops. some of these "rigs" are little more than dragsters pulling a sled down the track. I like it best when we put our farm tractors to the test. Just my opinion tho.

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Greg H.

02-28-2002 10:51:36

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Amused by the armchair pullers, 02-28-2002 02:29:52

No, we are not just jelious because we don't have enough money to cheat. Also what myself and other puller are tired of hearing the high dollar cheater brag about how great their { fill in you favorite brand and model of tractor} is even though it hasn't pulled a plow in 20 years. Listening to the wholesale mouth pieces; who most of which don't even farm, make fun of our farm tractor as if it's a joke. I actually had a man tell me last year after I pulled a stock tractor in the farm class, that he'd be ashamed if his tractor had to pull down in 1st and 2nd gear. His tractor being the same model with nearly 200 more CID, Plus RPM's pulling in 4th and 5th. I expect to be beaten by a tractor like that, and I don't get angry until the mouthing starts. That's what I feel stinks about tractor pulling. Now you can make fun of arm chair pullers all you want, but if you have arm chair ethics, than you better not be thowing too many stones. {just in case you don't get the last part, I was playing on Jesus's quote about only letting he without sin cast the first stone} Of course if you are that big of Cheat you probobly don't read the Bible that much. In my oppinion there is only to classes of tractors, stock, and Modified, and there would be alot less fighting over rules if that were the case. Have a nice day, Greg H. PS, I have a shop, but I'm not constantly in it sceaming on how to break rules or modify my tractor, so that others can't tell.

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G Taylor

02-27-2002 18:51:25

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Some of the cheating & rule bending is so clever & inovative, one has to admire the sneakyness. I'm a fan of those who find the loop-holes but don't cheat. As in any contest the winner makes superior use of the material resources with the best planning/work.

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RoyG

02-27-2002 15:52:32

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Hold speed to 4mph - Pull in low gear - no cut tires in any stock antique class and all use the same chain lenth and hitch hight and don't worry about the hot engines. The hot ones held to the same speed will spin out just the same as a stock tractor. I have just as much fun with stock tractor as the hot ones and don't spend the sbig bucks

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roger

02-27-2002 15:26:47

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

seems like there is always a complaint to everything when there is a public competition. rules are made and there are always those trying to find a way around them.in the area that i live and pull in,(central missouri) there have been lots of changes over the last 10 yrs. mainly the advent of lots more money spent on tractors for competition.we have 88 olivers running 600 cubic inches plus in the 4500lb classes on up at track speeds of 11-13 miles and hour.there are several mm g1000s with 1350 motors pushing 900ci and same track speeds. i used to pull a w-40 international 1936 vintage but i cant run the ground speeds necessary to keep up..therefore beacuse i dont want to spend the money i dont pull except for an occasional antique pull where speed limits are enforced along with scale and rpm check. bottom line is there are no exact ways to control those that would bend the rules..it takes way more time and effort to control than it would to just let them run..besides even though i dont want to hook against a 13 mile an hour monster i sure do like to see them pull..so my advice is to those that dont want to spend the money to build a competitive tractor..dont play the game just go and watch the guys with money blow their stuff up, its a lot less stressful and a lot more fun to watch rods ventilate the blocks of someone elses motor.

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Dont play is the answer?

02-27-2002 15:45:12

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to roger, 02-27-2002 15:26:47

Just like nascar eh? i quit watching that as well

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Rich

02-27-2002 14:46:18

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Well I had to pull my G Deere against a Moline with an 6 cylinder 800 irrigation engine in it in the 6500 lb (farm stock)class.He did not even get on the scales where anybody could see what he weighed.(REDICULOUS).I'll bet he was more like 7500 lb than 6500.Seen that a bunch last year,hope this year the scales are a little more watched and let the super farm stay in the super farm.And no I am not a sore loser,I had several wins last season and did not even beat up on B Allises or super C's.

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Kurt

02-28-2002 22:40:45

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Rich, 02-27-2002 14:46:18

Its very understanable, in a case like this but when it can't be detected by anyone is it cheating? For instance my father makes his living off repairing tractors and I've seen very few John Deere's that haven't been bored out. But they're not a sleeved block. Is that a sin if its even .045 over? Theres always loop holes and someone will always use them.

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cheater?

02-27-2002 12:25:51

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Remember, there are two kinds of tractor pullers, "Cheaters" and "Losers"

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MM Boy

02-27-2002 12:07:31

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

I pull a 1947 MM R i got to pull in the 3500lb. and the 4500lb. class if you don't know much about a R it is a small tractor and I am under classed for the 4500lb. class but I have no say in this matter my tractor is bored and has a little stroke but I get 50 hores on a good day and in the 4500lb. I have to pull aginst 88 oliver and M Farmalls massy 44 witch all have more power than I do but that don't matter I fineshed #2 in the points last year.I feel cheaters don't win all the time i don't cheat and I still can get a win now and then it just makes the win that much sweeter.if all you want to do is complain then join them

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MM Boy

02-27-2002 12:07:11

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

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Allis puller

02-27-2002 09:20:04

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

All this complaining means one thing and thats your not winning. No matter where you go someone will bend the rules a little. And its more than a few in every crowd. But just becuase their winning doesn't neccessarily mean they are cheating. Its called modifying original equipment. Every make and model is different and if you like the way another tractor has something try it.

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Big Time

02-27-2002 11:35:17

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Allis puller, 02-27-2002 09:20:04

cant be a horse show can it. the rich insist on having their pedigreed arabians judged along side working farm stock. That way they always win. That monster pulling machine you have fiddled with for years, with countless hours/dollars spent must be allowed to run against stock working mans machines, so you can always be in the winner circle. And they always will be. your attitude sucks. and your no sport at all. i bet its no fun doing anything with you, fishing, drinking or anything. Hope everyone isn't like that.

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Allis Puller

02-28-2002 05:52:42

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Re: Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Big Time, 02-27-2002 11:35:17

Everone keeps going on about all this money spent, I agree with countless hours. But I dont have a pile of money in my tractor, I said "modifying original equipment". And to you the sissy faggot Big Time, I'm probably much more fun to be around than you cuz I don't whine constantly.

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Puller

02-27-2002 11:30:25

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Allis puller, 02-27-2002 09:20:04

That means your the one cheating. I have my share of trophies. I don't notice the cheating in my class because I am at the line pulling. It is the ones I see get beat that I don't think deserve to be cheated on..

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Big Time

02-27-2002 08:29:36

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Answer is not simple. these dolts think cheating is fun, and the best cheater wins. Smiling with pride as the accept their trophys with half a dozen small cheats in as many areas, none the less, a full bottle of Mustang in 5 gallons of Avgas, with a 1/2 gallon of kerosene to smooth it out. you cant change it. cant legally fine them. kick them out, and then your pull dies. go by the rules in inspecting, and they dont come back next year. So heres one of my solutions.. besides my formula of weight divided by twice the horsepower, multiplied by the distance pulled, leaving a number. highest number wins. Lets say we have a New class.. Antique classes very strictly regulated. Farm Stock by weight, and must be totally useable with no obvious mods for pulling, and Run What Ya Brung, maybe 3 weight classes, only regs are speed and safety. let them openly devise their best pulling devices and systems ANY way they can. Just leave the things out of the JD B all green category. Let the stock tractors pull with any fuel that will burn through a stock carbuerator, and no mods, no hipower block assy, no fancy heads on old olivers, etc. all that fits the Open by weight class. what the heck, you cant beat a cheater, so lets let them do it openly, and while your at it, lets see you do something about beating the 47 Oliver 70 i am building, its got a 1969 Ford 460, with lots of cool toys on it. am paining the engine green, and hope to run in antique stock against your JD B, anf Farmall H.

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Thats funny.

02-28-2002 09:43:29

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Big Time, 02-27-2002 08:29:36

Too easy. Don't see you winning at 3mph with your 460 Oliver.

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Rebel 300

02-28-2002 10:40:56

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Re: Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Thats funny., 02-28-2002 09:43:29

i'd Like to see you pull along side my STOCK Farmall 300 IN THE FEILD! Pull as big a plow as you want And see whos tractor lasts longer, I much perfer to bring my stock tractor to a pull that I use every day on the farm. I don't much care for a guy who spents big dollers on a puller they can't use anywhere on a farm couse it can't take the stress, Then whine when a stock tractor like mine wins the class. I have no time for people like this!

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Time to put up or .......

02-28-2002 05:05:59

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Big Time, 02-27-2002 08:29:36

When are you going to put up the cash and arrange
a place for this pull? I have 10 to 1 you lose your butt on this one.Or are you just an "arm chair promoter" puffing off about something you know nothing about?

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Big Time

03-01-2002 22:58:58

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Re: Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Time to put up or ......., 02-28-2002 05:05:59

well heres the poop. i built this cool 460 from a 69 Lincoln. got a steel crank, marine rods, 11:5 comp, DOVE cast heads, Offenhauser intake, 850 holley, chrome goodies of course, it was for my boat. but i used a olds 350 instead. I can get an old oli 70 with a 300 ford 6 in it. what i really need to do is figure the front mount system, and i am in business, the rear bell, and mounts are done. its not idle bs. question is will it ever get done. i only want a super slick install, has to look like it belongs there, or i am not doing it. Since that 70 is such a beautiful tractor, i am considering playing with it some more, like 4 wheel disk brakes, mag wheels on the front, spoked rear, lots of chrome and goodies. have even considered orchard tinwork, twin bucket seats, small windsheild, all chrome bullet gauges, and 8in headlights with turn signals. would like a wheatland side cover cut out to fit the engine outline exactly. Green, and Red with yellow trim. what do ya think? got the basics setting right here.

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02-27-2002 07:08:40

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Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 06:43:54

Pulls without scales are not pulls. That the promoters decision to take advantage to the situation and the pullers PAY. Or in this case the guy with the Avery.

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reddog

02-28-2002 04:15:40

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to HA, 02-27-2002 07:08:40

Do not understand about scales,we weight before,and go directly to scales after pull wt.is checked drawbar&etc.A thought---- complainers hurt tractor pullin as much as cheaters!

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G-MAN

02-27-2002 16:00:28

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Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to HA, 02-27-2002 07:08:40

Guys, I'm not really into the pulling scene yet. I don't have my G done. I have pulled in some farm pulls (with 4wd pickups and a stock Farmall M). It has always been my experience that this is supposed to be a fun hobby. However, it seems like this whole thing is going to the dogs. I'v never won a pull. but I've placed several times. I didn't have any more fun the time I got second than when I got sixth. We all know that you're never going to make any money doing this. Is it worth your time and reputation to cheat so you can win? I guess everyone has to make their own call on that on, although I know the answer is no for me. Face it guys, the only thing you're really getting out of this is a $10 trophy - the money will be gone before you know it. I guess the other things you would get would be friendship, respect, and a little friendly competition. But apparently that isn't enough for some. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening.

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Puller

02-27-2002 16:29:54

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Re: Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to G-MAN, 02-27-2002 16:00:28

Trophies are only worth $3.00 here. I might start cheating if they get to be $10. HaHa..

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Dakota puller

02-28-2002 17:33:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: New solution to cheating.. in reply to Puller, 02-27-2002 16:29:54

We have two classes stock and open works good. I placed one time in two years and no one has more fun than me. Enjoy the good people and laugh at the others. If you have to win to enjoy in you are not going to have any fun anyhow.

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