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First hook, now im hooked

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Kevin

07-30-2005 19:50:15




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Well, today i made my first pull with a stock Farmall H that hasnt been touched for atleast 30 years or so, i got 3rd place in 4000 but i should of really run in 4500. I weighed in at about 4300 but the owener of the track told me to register as 4000. Well i already adjusted my drawbar acording to everyones sugestions at the track, let some more air out of my tires, now to get to 4500 im adding wheel wieghts. My idea is i want a pure stock farm tractor. Nothing but what you would see on a farm. I am adding wheelie bars becuase as i add weights i dont know how she will react but i fear i may need a touch more power. Now you remember what i said about stock...well what can i do to get the most torque out of stock?

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B BARENIE

07-31-2005 15:56:05




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Kevin, 07-30-2005 19:50:15  
FORGET THE HOT GAS, COMPRESSION IS TO LOW TO BURN IT. 89 OCTANE PLUS LEAD ADDITIVE ! GOOD TUNE UP

JUST PULL IT !



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OPSU Kid

07-31-2005 15:32:58




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Kevin, 07-30-2005 19:50:15  
Higher octane. I like racing fuel(110 octane). The only thing is that it is pink in the bowl but hey, its perfectly legal.



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ChadS

07-31-2005 08:17:03




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Kevin, 07-30-2005 19:50:15  
There is nothing wrong with owning a "sleeper" farm tractor, especially if it sees double duty, farm/puller. Find a SH-350 cam, that will wake it up a little more, help with low end torque, Id also say put it on a dyno, and set it up for maximum HP output, mark the distributor where it makes the most power onthe timing settings, and when your not pulling, set it by ear so it dont drink up all the gas in the tank, and sounds a little smoother. Scroll down and look at "Building a SH" post down the page, there is some ideas tha mite help you out on hopping it up, and keep it looking origianl. Congrats, and welcome to the wild world of antique tractor pulling!! ChadS

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Kevin

07-31-2005 16:42:01




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2005 08:17:03  
First thing is first, i got to get her 100% again. She has a few minor leaks and before i play to hard i want to seal her up. I beleive the worst motor on is the dist. side the side cover is leaking oil, is this hard to fix? Just a new gasket? The oil pan leaks alittle i believe, i think its leaking the most from the plug in the bottom wich i checked and its tight, maybe just put on a new oil pan gasket and stop the rest of the leak as the the plug isnt all that bad? Now this one really has got me good, there is a minor oil leak from 2 of the spark plug holes. Around the holes it is kind of dirty but there shouldnt be oil up there, right? If this is pistons and rings i am going to wait for winter to do that. Now the big one, the hydraulic pump is leaking like crazy, from were, i dont know, i dont use it anymore but id like to keep it in there. What is the best remedy for this? The is so much oil leaking off the bottom of the pump, from the maintence covers, everywere you could think of it is.
Now for modifications, will a cam change noise, reliability, or anything that will make me look just like the other jerks running modified tractors in stock classes? As far as i understand i should clean up the gov. and put in a new spring as the old one is probly worn out. Give me your opnions, i want to be the guy that took his tractor out of the field and came to the pull just to have fun.

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ChadS

07-31-2005 17:25:29




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Kevin, 07-31-2005 16:42:01  
No it wont change the sound of the engine by changing the cam out to the SH-350 grind. You have got an internal oil leak, either from the rings, or a valve guide dripping down after it shuts off, and rests on top of the piston, when it runs, it wont burn it all off and blow out the spark plugs, Id bet on rings, but you may have a possibility of two problems. The Plate on the side is no big job, use a good gasket tack sealer on both sides, but really make it stick to the plate, then install it onto the block. It has a lip that the gasket centers itself on to the plate, glue it well, and just make sure the gasket dont slip. The hyd pump could have a seal bad on the drive coupler,, I dont think you will have to drop the pump to fix this, but it will be a messy repair, Id pressure wash it before tearing down and see exactly where its cmming from, it also may be the seals in the inputshaft, and the pump drive on the transmission. These are famous for leaking, the bottom seal is no trouble, but the top seal is a SOB, you would have to remove the driveshaft, and pull out the large bearing holder, along with the constant mesh gear as all one unit,, its time consumingto repair, but worth the time to repair. There is nothing wrong with having a good puller/farm tractor. Just remember a sleeper tractor,,,, I consider a modified engine, as to be one that has been bored out, stroked, beyond a factory spec for that series engine, that does not use a factory part as a parts replacement. As IH got newer, they upgraded their engine components, like cams, heads, carbs governors to give them a bit more umph,,, all from the factory, that does not require major modifications to gain some performance,, IH's are in my opinion one of the best for factory hot rod upgrades, that all the parts were used from the factory. Hope this helps,, ChadS

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Mopower

08-01-2005 11:30:58




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2005 17:25:29  
I-H is best for factory upgrades? ChadS, my blood runs prarie gold for a reason. Haha. An H ought to be pretty good with 350 LP parts etc. I call that farm stock. Farmers used these parts. The same can be said for MM. Interchangeability is the fun in tractor engines. Dad's M&W UTU should make 65 h.p. or more. I have a M&W UB Diesel too. A MM Z will take LP heads and 3.75 pistons. The model M I-H machines using 450 stuff is pretty cool too.

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ChadS

08-01-2005 20:14:01




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Mopower, 08-01-2005 11:30:58  
I hear ya I hear ya. LOL! Its just one color Im particularly fond of. Ive yet to mess with a moline, just aint none round here for sale or trade etc etc,, unless it is the small molines like the one I got. I am aware of the moline interchangability, but grew up in the farmall and John Deere background,, so the world is still red and a hint of green in the blood. Maybe that ol Z mite surprize me if I ever decide to keep it, sell it, or build it, it is a powerful little tractor already,,,, But the H,s came first ya know,,,, LOL!!! Id also say it depneds on the rules on whats allowed,, I dont have a problem with LP heads on stock stroke engines, thats a factory performance upgrade, but add a stroker, and farm stock, dont mix in my opinion,,, Just depends on how honest the driver/owner is,,, Im really thinking of putting together a big SM farmall,,,, modified of course, bout 4000lbs to start with, on 15.5's, and about 140 hp,,,, its not a big $$ engine to build, under $3000,,,, I dunno,,, our club is weighting the sled so heavy these days,, a 3500lb tractor cant do much in the 4500 classes when weighted up,, just not enough weight on to make it pull with what Im allowed,, M's well, long stroke, bigger torque, and easier to handle,, more gear,,, I know my Big H would git r done,,, but, Im going to put er back together, pull it to see what happens. But, I got a Super M ready to build if I get the itch to go bigger. The ZAU is still sitting in the shed!!! Come take that off my hands will ya????? If someone does,, I can finish my H!!! LMAO!! CHadS

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Mopower

08-02-2005 06:59:13




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to ChadS, 08-01-2005 20:14:01  
I sure wish the JD stuff was more interchangeable! I say you are right. Farm Stock means no stroke. I could probably slide in with the 6" G MM crank, but I won't do that to anyone. Seriously if you are going to tackle an MM Chad, try a 335. Way more potential than a Z. (Even though I have seen some tough Z engines out there that took a lot of work.) I'd like to take that ZAU off your hands, but lack of funds does not permit. So a Super M huh? How light? Yeah I've seen em' lug. Always thought a Case DC would be a neat one to attempt.

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ChadS

08-02-2005 07:43:39




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 Re: First hook, now im hooked in reply to Mopower, 08-02-2005 06:59:13  
Im thinking of about 4000lbs with me on it for the SM,, It can be done with some work in the right areas. There is a 450ci SM running in our lite classes, that is hard to beat with my 70HP H,,, I know my other H could spank that SM any day of the week, but, not while the engine is sitting on the stand!!!! LMAO!! A few months ago, dad and I bought a SM out of a junkyard, that had went thru a fire,, rusty,, man was it rusty! We have a commercial sandblaster, and that took care of the rust,, it was not stuck when we found it,,, a few more weeks sitting and it mite have been a lost cause,, but after replacing the manifold gaskets, distributor, and rebuilt the carb, it ran great once more!! Surprisingly, it was a strong ol heifer!!! puled 67 hp on the dyno at 540, so it is a good SM!! It does have the 8564 head on it, with firecraters, but, I dont know what bore it is,, they say the 8564 head is a gas/lp head for the SM, Im thinking it is a replica of the 400-450 gasser heads, but the old 4 digit casting code. it is a super straight SM, it could use a few more coats of IH red paint to really make it look cherry,, but for now, its not a rusty bucket, and it is able to be used if time calls for it. Ive seen a few hooped up bored out stroked DC cases,,, DCtom had one few years ago, and it did run good, had balls,,,, But I aint gonna step on toms toes,, he is the case man round here,,, LOL!!! Ive always pulled red ones,, ya know,, the weed that grows up every once in a while,,,,, LOL! Im thinking of right at 500 cubes for the SM,,, and run 4mph mod classes,, The ZAU,, I dunno,,, sure is an awful nice FARM tractor, always runs super, I know the distributor needs attention,, carb leaks when it is shut off, makes 43 hp. Not bad,,, I would think more of a plow day special for it, rather than a big puller,, Is it true,, they only made the ZAU 2 years? 52-53?? Has fenders,, no lights, but 12 volts, live Hyd, choice of tires I guess,, either 16.9X34s on casts,, or I mite be able to put on a set of 15.5's on dish rims,, Did they ever have a muffler for these? havent ran across an old photo of them off the showroom yet,,, sure would be a good project, or parade tractor, I raked hay with it, that ol seat bout is like a catapult in the rough spots,,, LMAO!! Too the moon!! Save up Mopower, Ill hang on to it, if you want to git er,, LMAO! No pressure hehehehe!! Did you guys get the little R going yet? How bout that Big GBD with no engine? ChadS

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